Bob, point taken on united we stand an divided we fall!! That's y I have offered my number many times for people to call, instead of possible posting a false statement about a man on a open public forum. So if u have a pair call an ill be glad to share.

The Bob Frazier I know won't have a problem ...

I also wanted to mention that the pups you asked about (or questioned the quality of ) as being for sale are out of Ursus Demon, a dog that you spoke very highly of (and considered breeding to) on the smithdeal site. Actually, it is an uncle/neice cross to Gretchen's daughter blondie.... so it is ...

Ernie,

after reading your post and the list of references, I read something odd. Don't you have pups for sale that are 5 months old now?

That is correct, and thanks for taking the time to review my references. I'm sure you also noticed that those pups weren't advertised until about two weeks ago ...

Ernie, I guess Steve would have to man up and call people back, or answer his phone.

Bob, if you took offense to that question that is too bad for you. That is the rumor that is going around. There seems to be a bunch of Ursus cronies here so I figured they could squelch the rumor right here and ...

Here's my question for all you Ursus breeders.I'm not trying to stir the, crap but is the cull rate on these dog really 50 percent as some have said. I'd like to get one but if it's that high would it be worth it. The one's I hunted with year ago were nice dogs.

It depends on what your standards ...

Let it go man. That comment wasn't even directed at you.

As has been stated before in this thread, for those of you who want the "Other side" of the story... "Man up" and go to the source. Don't be cowards.

Apparently this thread has been reduced to the degree of Marshall Worthington sending me PM's attacking my dogs... dogs he's never hunted with I might add.

Marshall,

I have given you a list of a dozen or more names, and will provide you with their contact info if you want to know about my dogs ...

If you want references, you can start with calling Bob Black (since I'm sure you still have his number). You know Bob will give you the scoop, for better or worse.

If the opportunity presents itself, ask him about the big bear that was killed on the ground after walking/fighting/baying for hours ...

wvplott,

It is funny you know so much about me and the dogs I hunt, yet I don't hear about yours.

I only knew about those old dogs because you used to run your trap about them all of the time on the plott boards, which proves again that you used to promote the hell out of those Ursus dogs you ...

Marshall did for a fact promote the heck of his Ursus dogs when he and Steve dealt back and forth. Those who have been on the plott boards for years will attest to this. I remember years ago... him bragging about Ursus Storm, and her ability to produce top notch bear dogs, regardless of what she was ...

Growing up, we were taught to always tell the truth when talking to people. If one does this all the time he will never have to worry about defending ones self. There is a lot defending, don't you think. Anyway, I know the truth and could careless if you do. Besides you don't care about the ...

In all seriousness... If you knew the history of the buckskin issue, and the nature of the attacks against steve mohr by a select few, you would likely see this is just another attempt to slander the man.

Since you obviously don't, I can see how you could doubt that Steve mohr was the man in ...

I'm not assuming anything. I was just joking with you on that last post. If you're looking at Ursus plotts, I'd give the same advice to you as I did earlier in this thread... try to gather as much info as you can from as many different sources as you can involving this line of dogs... and then go ...

In all seriousness... If you knew the history of the buckskin issue, and the nature of the attacks against steve mohr by a select few, you would likely see this is just another attempt to slander the man.

Since you obviously don't, I can see how you could doubt that Steve mohr was the man in ...