want to get into profesional guiding

[mavrick333]

Joe
I understand where you are coming from, But you also have too remember that if that goes through that all the weekend guys will be hunting without a tag!!!!! In some parts of the state where everthing is crowed already, its hard to get a track that is not the same bear that is not already started. Just a thought? I think, that will really hurt the hunting and make things more difficult!!!

[Nolte]

[mavrick333]

I understand, all that! Then why dont they have it open through out the entire season? Its not a big deal eather way! Weekend guy or full time hunter as long as when you are out there you respect the woods the people and the animals everybody should enjoy it!!!

[blackpaws]

[catslayer]

[catdogs]

[krk hunting]

Catslayer,

I am just trying to say that our society in general has come the concenses that a tip is expected and not earned. I look at it this way, and we may be both on the same page. There are alot of clients that do not know what is normal and customary for tipping ( but dont cut yourself short) I have clients that will pay 20-30 no problem for a hunt that meets or exceeds their expectations. I gues what I am trying to say is nothing pisses me off more than to go into a resturant and have a 15% gratuity put on my bill for a party of 6 or more. When I may have tipped 20% or more, after that I will only pay the 15% on my bill. Not trying to start a pissing match her (It sounds to me that you should become the outfitter to better understand the true income and cost and exposure related to the Buisnes). If your boss is working on a true 50% net profit margn, assuming that the hunts are all in the 8k price he would have to book 250 of thoes hunts per year to net that 1 million dollar figure you threw out there. I dont know anything about your boss's buisness, he probably has a fabulos buisness and customer base, but I highly doubt he his selling an 8k average hunt at 250 of them a year. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks

Junk

[catslayer]

junk,
I didnt mean to come off as sounding pissy.When i first read your reply to my post,it sounded like you were calling me unconfident in my guiding skills.Reading your last post though,I understand what you are saying a bit better.I dont really expect any tip when i first meet a guy and go hunting,but i work hard for one anyways.I do think that if you just tipped my boss 8 grand for having an outfit and some good guides,the least you can do is kick a little down to the guys that work the hardest to get you that trophy critter you have been dreamin about.My boss does book around 60 somethin guys a year for our private ranch (not high fenced) hunt at 8,600 a piece.Thats just the ranches for 3 weeks from oct. 10th till nov. 3rd. Then we do backcountry hunts from sept. 1st till oct. 3rd and usualy run around 30 guys throughout all our camps back there.Those hunts are 4,500.He also runs about 40 to 50 bear hunters at 2,500 each and around 30 or so cat hunters throughout the state and nevada each season at 4,000 each.Thats my favorite season for sure Not sure exactly how he does it but i have seen his net income sheet a time or two and its crazy.I am in the wrong end of this im thinkin Anyways,didnt mean to come off as a dick before...Taker easy

[catslayer]

[Steve White]

[catslayer]

[Nolte]

I may be in the minority here, but I believe that money will be the undoing of our hunting sports. Anytime that $ gets involved (in anything) it blurs the lines of right/wrong. Many times the guys with the most $ to throw around are the biggest A-holes out there who whine the most.

I have a hard time stomaching the idea that someone is more "deserving" of a trophy because they can flop down the cash to hire someone to do the work for them. I get the same feeling when someone shows up in our kill season with a tag, when they haven't spent one day with us in training season. Or they haven't done any of the boatloads of work to make a hunt succesfull. I understand that not everyone is as dedicated as others, but I'm a firm believer that you get out of something what you put into it.

I realize that a lot of guides do a great job providing a service for people that would never take part in the activity if they didn't hire someone. The majority of people don't have the gear or knowledge to travel across the country and to take part in a hunt/fish trip. I think it's great that peple get to experience all sorts of our different outdoor sports. But don't expect me endorse any regulations that favor guides or feel bad for the wages earned or expenses involved.

[blackpaws]

i can understand to a certain extent about wanting to guide for a living. i have thought about it myself but i didn't think i could make a good enough living at doing it and plus i would have lost a lot of friends along the way. where we hunt there is a guide that pretty much kills every bear they run. some are darn near too small to be legal. he is in it for the money only because you can tell he won't run big bear in fear of having to pay vet bills. he runs mostly small bear that should tree easier. i am not saying every guide is this way but like Nolte said when there is money involved it is a whole new game.

For the guides in the state i can see why you wouldn't want training open during the kill season because there is money involved and why would you want other people out there running a bear you could possibly get killed for your client. But, i will bet that the moajority of the weekedn warriors are the ones down at the bear hunter's convention spending some of their cash to help fight to keep our sport open in this state. i have been down there for many years and it always amazes me that there are not more donations from any guides in the state. i am not saying there isn't any but you never see any guided hunts donated or even just a cash donation. i have the book of donations from last year and not very many guides on there.

what needs to happen in they need to open the souther part of the state during kill season if people think it's over crowded.