just a coment on cameron line

[liontracker]

LOL! There are houndsmen and men with hounds.....

[Brady Davis]

Yep...men with cheap hounds...to each his own i guess...

[liontracker]

Yep, that's what makes the world go 'round...and 'round...and 'round.

[Kyle Reeves]

Hey rattler im sure that Del Cameron has a side to the story to. Ive personally been around a handfull of cameron hounds and have yet to see one that was a total dud if they had any time put into them. I have on the other hand saw some that wouldnt always honor another dog, but would do it on there own. Did you train the dog or just throw him in on a race and expect him to go? I think You posted this to try and drag the mans name in the mud hes been around awhile and didnt make a reputation like he has by selling culls. Im sure before you bought the dog you reserched it and thought they were the kind or you wouldnt have spent that kind of money on a cameron. Also i believe every pup needs to have enough time spent with them to truly have a bond with there master, and this results in them not being timid if they trust you. Is it truly the pups fault, Del Camerons Fault or the handlers. How did he die?

[lionhunterdaves]

My cousin bought a couple of dogs out of the cameron bloodline, they are about a year old now. One is turning out to be a pretty decent dog, the other one is junk, she is timid to the point he almost cant catch her.

[BuckNAze]

I wonder why they are so timid, breeding or owner abuse? Dont get me wrong I will let my dogs know Im boss but some respond to different tactics to let them know that you are boss. I have a Cameron Bluetick/Walker cross and he was the most timid dog I have ever seen when I got him, although he was 2. He definetly wanted to hunt but I couldnt get him to come to me for the life of me. After working with him and running him on bears and coons for about 6 months total time of having him he has done a 180 and is almost not timid at all. Of course that is just one of his traits now (because of being mistreated by his previous owner before I got him at the shelter), but he is almost a totally different dog. I think if people put some time into these timid dogs they may turn out to be some of their best dogs. I know my timid dog is turning to a hair puller on bears, he loves bears. Just a thought. And Im not saying that any of these people are beating their dogs, Im simply just curious on why these pups are turning out timid as well. Usually pups arent timid to begin with from what I have seen.

[Coyote]

In any group of pups you are going to have more aggressive and more timid pups. Maybe it's pecking order that establishes this, I don't really know. But any time I have picked pups there are always a couple that back off and shy away. Maybe they received less attention from mom. Maybe they received less attention from the owner. Maybe they are more laid back. Lots of maybe's but it's still a timid pup.

[liontracker]

99% of the time it is a lack of early human socialization as a young pup.

[Kyle Reeves]

I think liontracker hit the nail on the head. In my opinion the more time you spend with a pup the better they will bond with you and it also builds confidence in the pups personality.

[liontracker]

Their is no denying that the Camerons are very tightly bred. In every pedigree I have seen, the 6th and 7th generations are almost identical. Depending on the sire and dam, shyness could double up in a hurry. That is why the guys breeding any old Cameron to any other old Cameron should be paying attention.

[Coyote]

So if a guy bred one that was shy, would handling the pups from birth solve the problem of the pups being shy?

[Bluefloyd]

We have had two full Camerons that were well socialized as pups (Kids and puppies) the same treatment all the other pups get. and they just got worst the older they got. they were timid and if placed out of there element were basket cases. They both were rather aggresive toward the other hounds in any training scenario. I have heard of this same situation from a few other Cameron pups.
We gave these dogs 1 yr of the same treatment and training all the others get. They may have worked out for some one else, but they just did not satisfy our needs or perform at the level to make the cut. Maybe it is too close of breeding or maybe it is my training methods.
Having said that, I do run Cameron blood in my hounds and can see the Cameron traits show through in my hounds. I am not Del so i cannot make the cross that he would make with his hounds. Thus my hounds have Cameron blood in them But are NOT Cameron hounds.
I use the fine bluetick blood he has produced as a good foundation to try to develop a dog that meets my need.
My Hats off to Del and any other houndsman that has improved the breed to fit there needs.
Bluefloyd

[calblu]

[liontracker]

My Vet has bred GSP's for 45 yrs and studied in the US army perfecting AI in dogs-Shepards. But anyway he says one of the telltale signs that your are getting into a corner is natural shyness. Then comes the hard to get bred. Now if you line breed very far on this...I would think it would set that trait pretty deep.

[calblu]

What exactly does getting into a corner mean?