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Although the background of the White Cloud line came from that country I don't think much or the original Mullins line is left. Martin Clem of Arizona really carried this line forward. I would guess Weldon Hopman of Arizona has about as much White Cloud in his line as there is left around. I had a male that came to me thru Curtis Prock and he got her from Clem, and this was many years ago.Hard going little bear dog and fast, but medium nosed, I crossed him on a bitch I got from Morris Hurt out of Banjo and got some really nice pups that started early and made good tree dogs. I didn't keep any mysef for any length of time, but heard good report on them. The Bawling Banjo and Shives Goldhill Tom dogs I had were better all around I felt and sure had better noses for cold trail work. Kick myslef a lot of times for letting that line get away and for not spending more time with them good looking son of a guns.

The gyp I have has alot of White Cloud on the top and Marosok's Bobby and Topper and a ton of Nance stock on the bottom. I crossed her with a Spring Creek Rock male and have had some really fast starting, cold nosed, move a track, tree dogs.

Scott,

I sure agree. I messed up on the last bitch I had out of Loose Bruce, and let her get away with a big package of bear dogs I sold. I was keeping 30 to 40 hounds back in those days and was hunting really hard. She was shining big time, and I needed to move about half a dozen, and the guy just wouldn't budge unless I put her in the deal. I did and he caught a lot of bear but never capitalized on the breeding of that walker bitch. Live and learn, hopefull I have a little, but like you say somtimes when you let that slip thru your fingers it is hard to get it back.

Mike

Doesn't Hershel Joyner have some of that stuff yet? I see he carries alot of Loose Bruce in his stock. Uncle Brisco may know more about that.