cattle trained curs

[nmplott]

I had some black mouth curs a few years ago that were awesome instinctual cattle dogs with a decent hunt in them. However they were to aggressive and had to be culled. These guys were awesome with our cattle and I would like to get some more that are not nearly as aggressive. Can someone point me in the right direction to get one or two as pups?

[Shorty]

Stay away from the square headed ones. Alot of people crassed too much pit into them and made them more "catchy". Down here we like to think we can do they catching if they'll just bay them up long enough. Nothing worse than a herd of cows with chewed up ears. I'd look in south texas, if they'll work down here they should work anywhere.

[nmplott]

I am looking for some that can do herding but not really agressive, our cattle are really doscile and I would like them to stay that way.

[Pops]

if you don't really need the heat a good BMC brings, then you might want to consider a softer herding breed like an aussie sheperd or border collie. i can't vouch for them but may want to look into treeing farm sheperds so you can hunt them also.
you'll be happier faster finding the dog that fits the job than taking one that doesn't & trying to make it fit.

[Shorty]

I think alot of people like their bmc's alittle on the rougher side. You don't get much done with a set of dogs like that in our part of the world. What will usually happen is one of those dogs can't stand it and just has to bite a cow. Next thing you know your trying to gather them up again (this time in smaller bunches). If I needed a catch dog (which I don't because I know how to use a rope) then I'd have a pit bull.

These dogs of ours better back off and bay. if one breaks and they need to put teeth on them to turn them then so be it, they better then let her back to the herd and go back to baying. They stay out front to keep the cows checked up while we're driving them and give them their room as long as they're walking. When they go to trotting the dogs put alittle more pressure to slow them down.

There are dogs out there like this just not many anymore. You need to find someone who uses them every day and uses them hard. We've been looking for some ourself to make an outcross with as the family tree isn't branching much anymore. Good luck with your hunt for these type dogs, don't give up. If I find some I'll let you know.

[pegleg]

there's a guy here that works cattle with rough dogs. I have to be honest though and say he goes through more dogs then ANYONE I've ever met in any type of dog activity. he works the hell out of his dogs, he leases small patches and is constantly moving cattle on a daily basis. just him and the dogs. the odd thing is as hard on dogs as he is he will coddle a worthless horse for years. I've often wondered about the effort he waste catching cattle the way he does. as often as he works them they could be real gentle by now. pulling one outa the scrub can be bad. however if you do it once a week or more even beef learns. his cows tend to go on the fight the moment they see a dog.
a good cowdog can be priceless if used right. hell maybe he's bored...

[Shorty]

I agree 100% pegleg. The cows here aren't bothered much by the dogs. When they see or hear them they just bunch right up and relax. Every now and again a younger cow will take a short run at a dog then return quickley to the herd. I think the difference is that they know they aren't going to get roughed up just for standing around in a herd.

Don't get me wrong I used to have some rougher dogs that I used to catch cattle for people with. These cattle were usually the ones nobody else could catch. I had damn good sucess doing this with that type dog. However as I've gotten older and wizzer (which doesn't say much) I think i'd use these same dogs we work today for the same jobs. I don't do this kind of work anymore as there isn't much of it where I live now. What I have realized though is with these type dogs you have alot more options. With the rougher dogs you weren't usually going to catch the whole herd at once. you'd in most cases catch on at a time tie it down and repeat till finishedt Then you had to dead or haul them all out. With bay dogs you could in most cases drive or pen the whole group of cattle and if not you could accomplish the same thing as with the other set of dogs.

I'm not downgrading anyone or their dogs, I too had to learn the hard way. Also different dogs work in different country, then if you change the type of cattle things might just change again. This is just my openion which isn't worth much!!

[Dads dogboy]

NMPLOTT

Contact Dereke on here...he has a friend @ Stephenville, TX who Breeds, raises, and works BMC Cowdogs.

I have not seen them work but they are described as the type of Hounds that Shorty is talking about which are the kind we used to work. If you grew up in the days of the "Screw Worm" like my Dad (I came along just about the time the SCW was eradicated). You darn sure did not want a Dog to put their mouth on a Cow causing another wound to be Doctored!

This man's Sons catch Cattle for City Types who think just about any Cattle handling techniques are TOO rough for their Bessies (even though they have jumped 6 fences and are 4 miles from home). Therfore Catch Dogs are out...even the Ropes are frowned on!

PM Dereke aand I be that he can PM you a phone # that will ease your Pain!

CJC

[Geno]

I dont know if u guys have ever heard of mcnabs at all or ever used them? They are a medium build dog that is short haired very tight feet and seem to have enough bite but not too much. I have mcnabs and i use dogs every day working cattle and have had this strain for a while and am really pleased with them i have two litters on the ground and if any of u guys would be interested in one give me a call or pm me.
Thanks
Gene Roberts
307 575 2663

[Charlie83541]

I hunted Pigs with a guy in California that swore by McNabs.
They used their heads and didn't get cut up as much as the Hound/PitBull crosses that he had.
I killed a 350lb Boar they bayed up for me. Tasted like old ass.

Nice little dogs for sure.
Charlie

[Okietreedog]

Call Clue Anderson in Warner Oklahoma he has a good line of blackmouth that he uses for cattle work 918-989-5068 or http://www.crosstel.net/~ja/