Catahoula or Black Mouth Cur who's grittier?

[waylon]

This question is pretty broad i know considering all the lines or strains and it ain't ment to start a argument just wondering in general what the majority of guys think, I have seen Catahoulas in GENERAL seem to take a little more ivory from a hog without backing down than BMC what do you guys think.

[three rivers catahoulas]

Out here on the west cost, BMC arn't real popular a few guys have'em but the mojority is Catahoulas and Kemmer's & Plott's or crosses of the three. I have only had a few BMC and the ones I had I didn't like, they weren't rough by no means, they were solid enough bay dogs, but lacked the drive to catch and stop a bigger boar. I have had a great many catahoulas, and they would be my prefured breed of cur, I think they tend to be alittle rougher then most BMC, they dont have as good of a nose as a BMC, but they are grittier and have more stayin power then a BMC.

[Rockcreek]

That's one of those questions, with no real answer... I'd say it depends on who's doing the culling!

Take care.

[Pops]

pointless question, 6 of one & half dozen of the other

[waylon]

You can call it pointless i guess but here in my part of oklahoma you either run catahoula or BMC, of course if you run yeller dogs(as most cowboys here do) you would not be caught with a leopard and vise versa I am kinda a rarety with catahoulas, but MY POINT is trying to gather a general vibe of what people outside my own area who actually have hunted and worked both breeds thought, you can say which is a better track dog walker or bluetick well thats pointless unless your trying to breed dogs for tracking ability, to me gritt is a big point in hog dogs and in bay pen dogs it is a main point, get all the grit you can there but with out getting catchy. In my dogs if you dont have grit your s.o.l. so i guess if to the reader its pointless there is no need to comment on the post,I have a brother-n-law who has weatherford ben BMC dogs he paid dearly for and see's my dogs as low class dogs because some were given to me and the others i bought as pups and raised So there is this brother-n-law rivalry between us so i am kinda looking for ammo for our routine thanksgiving day discussion. We dont run our dogs together to find out cause his dogs are bad to fight each other if there's nothing else to fight and i wont get that started in my dogs, and yeah like rockcreek says it does depend on who culling I would help him cull if he would give me half a chance, but like i said in the question, i am not looking for argument just a general opion.Well thanks men and God Bless

[Rockcreek]

Waylon- I didn't mean any disrespect. I think if you look hard enough you could find what you're looking for in either breed. Just find someone that hunts hard, values true grit, culls his dogs and knows what the hell he's looking for... Find that kind of person and you'll find the right type of dogs.

Best of luck and take care.

[waylon]

None taken bro none at all, sorry if i sounded grumpy there guys i had vasectomy today and it must be making me hormonal( dont laugh women can use that excuse, so why not me) Hope i dont start drawing flowers and crying all the time

[waylon]

One more thing i was talking about culling my brother-nlaws dogs not yours of course

[Pops]

if your BIL thinks houlas aren't gritty and BMCs are then he's an idiot (feel free to tell him i said so) & he's wasting your time as well as his. like i said 6 of one & half dozen of the other. just like any breeds some are grittier than others, some have better noses some have better dispositions. it's a waste of time when two breeds are so alike to act the fool & argue over which is better.

[waylon]

your sure right about that pops, he comes from big money and has the best of every thing you can buy to hog hunt with.So the argument is kinda based on the poor guy vs rich guy thing, i thought about breeding a yellow lab to his females next time he goes on vacation lol!. But what do you do, i should just drop it i guess but i grew up poor and much aint changed either and when people with money treat me that way its hard to let it go, but thanks for your words.

Just wondering what type of dog do you run?

[Pops]

if you want to mess w/ him breed to a nice wide running mouthy redbone. the lab might backfire. the labXpit has a small following down in Florida and the labXboxer has a big fan club in Kiwi hogdoggers. most everyone i've talked to about lab crosses say they are extremely catchy & gritty.

[bigboarstopper]

From what ive noticed, regardless of hog dog breed its always the same. "monkey see, monkey do". If your gonna run a new dog with rough dogs its gonna end up rough as well. If you have bay dogs for the most part you will end up with a bay dog if you introduce a new dog to that style.
Another generalization that I think may apply is a dogs range. Short range dogs will be rougher than long range dogs. Long range dogs have to conserve energy and spend many hours tracking or baying before the hunter arrives with a catch dog (if he even has one) and can make the kill. Short range dogs have always been rougher due to the fact that the races are much shorter, the fights are quicker and catch dog arrives sooner and the "Rat Packing" mentality kicks in faster creating rougher dogs. Its a balancing act of range to roughness.
If I have long range rough dogs I will end up with a lot of dead dogs that will have no longevity. If I have short rang dogs that only bay I might never stop a running hog long enough to dump the catch dog. But to answer the question about BMC to Catahoulas Ive seem them go both ways.
I have had a really rough catahoula (Blue) and Ive owned a dog that I was told had a majority of BMC blood (its the PB dog in the picture forum under my name) anyway that dog had the best hunting stratagy ive ever seen. It would run silent. when It found a hog it would bark once or twice every few minutes staying 10-15+yards away giving it no pressure so the hog wouldnt run or even feel the need to fight her. Once other dogs arrived to help it wouldnt bark or bay. She would simply catch and hold.
In central california there is a lot of guys that run a lot of airedale blood in their hog dogs. The noses are hot but the stopping power is there. I know I keep repeating myself but im so excited about my Catahoula/kemmer cross bred back to her own line with 1/2 of it airedale and plott. I think that may be the balance of range to roughness that might make names for themselves

[waylon]

yeah christmas is coming and i aint getting much so feel guilty for me and send me a pair, ha! )just kidding around, but i am real excited for you, if there what i think they will turn out to be and what your hoping for are you gonna keep with that mix, or linebreed them I guess cross breed them would be the correct term here. I settled on crossing to a walker bitch with my houlas and see what i think i need from there, but i will keep a handful of pure catahoulas around just to piss off my brother-n-law

[Pops]

i still say find you the softest, loudest most POS redbone before the guy shoots it and breed it to his BMCs.

[waylon]

This is tuff to say but i am hunting this weekend with a new buddy who moved up from australia with all black mouth dogs, you never know i may come out of the blackmouthed closet if there as good as he claims, we got some bad boy hogs tearing my neighbours place and killed a dog already, my catahoula dog i took out (leroy 1 year old) bayed 3 120-150 lbs but wouldn't cath on any of em, boy i was proud lol of course i didnt have a catch dog with me either though he was tuff enough guess i was wrong again