Oregon Outdoor Council

[Unreal_tk]

http://www.facebook.com/oregonoutdoorcouncil

If you aren't a member, you should be! We had a meeting in our area last night with a reps from the OCC, OHA, ODFW, OUSDA with a good turn out to boot. The spokesman from the OOC (Jerod Broadfoot), had brought several things up to us that I hadn't heard yet. They aren't just for houndsman but any outdoors man in Oregon. They are a group which can change things in the political world more than groups such as Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, NRA, etc because of how they are filed with the IRS. They have several legislative issues that they are currently working on for us as outdoorsmen.

10 dollars for a year of membership is all that it costs. You can go to the supermarket and pick up 2 things and spend that type of money!

[mike martell]

Thomas

Thanks for posting....This is about the best bet we have to change things in Salem.

Mike

[Buddyw]

I definitely Agree, Hopefully everyone in Oregon is a member and trying to get their other hunting friends involved.

Buddy

[Justaguy]

Mike,

Do you have to live in Oregon to be a member and how much does it cost to join. Who knows if sb1221 passes a lot of us who live in California right now might be moving north just so we can hunt !

justaguy

[Unreal_tk]

I am pretty sure anyone can join, I personally encourage anyone who wants to partake in the outdoors to join.

[mike martell]

Joe

OOC is open for any and all memberships and donations....$10.00 for a membership and 200.00 for life time...open for additional donations.....

Mike

[Lookin' Up!]

Are they going to try and get back a lion season in Oregon. That is what you guys need up there. Of all of the states that have lost their lion hunting with hounds I think Oregon is most likely to get it back. We need to be trying to restore our hound hunting and get back what has been take from us, Just as hard as the tree hugging bunny lovers are fighting to take it from us. Lets not wait for a fight to keep what little we have left like Cali. Lets start a fight for what we want to keep and want back. And after lion hunting is restored in OR we will move onto the next state.

[Unreal_tk]

Yes they are working on multiple fronts to bring back hound hunting, and also defending other rights of outdoorsmen. Currently in 2014 rumor is are going to try for measure 18 to be repealled in a ballot, however the Humane Society has already filed for a trapping ban ballot for 2014. They are in the process of defending that ballot as well for trappers. There are a few legal battles as well in place that they are trying to help on as well. There is a case going on about using a statue to use an agent on private ground to do predator removal that the OSP are not on the same page as the statue says. Same program that is used heavily over on the coastal range by timber companies, and a private citizen used the program is being penalized.

[mike martell]

Guys, Oregon is a tough State for many reasons. The biggest is our Game Department

First our game department is not in love with hound hunters. They made a decision to hire USDA and several agents to eradicate cougar in many of the target areas, Oregon department of Fish had H.B. 2971 in 2007 and declined to use sport hunters for there own reasons...What do you think the ungulate population would look like five years later if Odf had used sport hound hunters instead of USDA or agents?

Now ODFW has mandated the slaughtering of so called management objective cougar to include toms, females and kittens. I wonder if they are removing those kittens or leaving them like the bear cubs? Sows black bear caught in foot hold snares that have baby cubs are all shot on sight, REMEMBER WHY WE WERE BANNED IN 1994? SELECT HARVESTING OF TROPHY ANIMALS....

Those cubs killed are left to rot where they hit the ground and for management purposes labeled "unknowns" Read the newly released black bear management plan and you will see where ODF is partnering with N.W. Timber producers to eradicate all black bears on Corporate timber lands and using your license dollars to close the deal, Reference Oregon H.B. 3636

Our hunting dollars pay to landfill those couger being killed...This pisses me off beyond words....How can a few select so called hound hunters resort to killing under these conditions for a few dollars? They are involved as deep as you can get at destroying any hopes or chances of ever getting hound hunting reinstated, ODFW is very articulate at making damn sure we sport hunters take the credit for those cougar being killed....

HSUS makes the case , Why do you need a pilot progam, you won in 2007 and are using sport hound hunters and now you want more hounds and hunters?.....Anglin and Melcher sit like mutes allowing this to happen in testimony. Very understated to say I have contempt for ODFW.....We have been shut down two years in a row simply because ODFW allows the HSUS to get away with accusing sport hound hunters as the culprits....Screw ODF!

Black bear management has gone from condemned sport hound hunting for ethical reasons to the rank bait and snares being the management tool of choice, simply stated by ODFW head Administrator Ronald E. Anglin, once more making a complete ass of himself by stating, Sport hunters can't meet management objectives is why we Snare...

No call to add additional tags to game management units, extend the seasons from spring straight through to fall, possibly add additional tags in high density areas plauged by over populated bears..... Nothing but baits and snares, contractors and USDA....

Nothing that includes sport hunters except doubling our license and tag fees and supporting H.B. 3636 that asks sport hunters to donate money to hire agents and USDA to kill animals that belong to we the people.....Time to shut it all down and let mother nature manage. Can't screw it up any worse than ANGLIN, MELCHER, ELICKER....

I call b.s. on the fish department having their hands tied....Liberals untied them in 2007 and a liberal Governor signed it into law giving ODF full range of lattitude to bring sport hound hunters on board.....Oregon Department of Fish made the decision to screw the sport hunter not HSUS....

Mike Martell

[mike martell]

Thanks for all the pm's guys...

Here is another argument. We now have this milked out into its fifth year....
No planning on how long it would take to have the Government/contractors resolve this crisis vs. the use of sport hunters as a management tool.

Many local hound hunters are on board with this plan and agree sport hunters would indeed have a difficult time killing the cougar kittens as described in one of my pm's. NO SHIT! Evidently a case where the agent had killed a lactating female and was ordered by Odfw to return and kill the kittens...

Government can't handle anything right, if you don't understand this reference BHO on a National level!
Now, say Odfw did decide to use sport hunters five years ago and unleashed the equivalent of the private sector sport hound hunter vs. Government, sport hunters would be done with managemnet while Government tries to make careers out of screwing management up....

We could have left the lactating females in the trees and killed more cougars than USDA ever thought about and looked at management year by year and should the need to kill a few more females surfaced, we would be years ahead of the Government and could have killed them as young adults not ten pound kittens....at least sport hunters would accept a smaller animal and deal with it as a prized posession vs. the odfw land fill plan for kittens....

Not much needs to be said about the snare other than the use of them is to draw a bear to a said location.....Damn hard to defend this over hounds that catch on location after the damage has occured....I see many of my bears in Southern Oregon where I do fall crop damage that if I listened to mandates and the law going by the way of the snare simply because I found a track or pile of scat.

I refuse to set snares simply because in 25 years of doing crop damage a fact has surfaced.....Not one single sow has been killed on premise where the dominant boar is present.ODFW is okay with USDA/contractors setting up baits prior to the bear being found guilty of peeling a tree.... Again, reference the loyalty of ODFW and the N.W. Timber producer and see where the laws have been tossed out the window. Timber damage is different than crop damage but the law prohibits the use of hounds. (can use hounds but must remain on premise)....kill them all is the mindset of ODFW...I'm not talking about three or four bear either for what I do, I control between 1 and 25 bear per year, do the math....

Now ask yourself if this qualifies as management? ask the local bobcat hunters in western Oregon and they will tell you it sure is nice not having to mess with bears while trying to hunt bobcats....Again to reinterate, ODFW had its hands untied but elected to use USDA over private hound hunters....Time to shut all bear and cougar down until odf gets on board with those folks who pay the bills and keep feeding our fish specialist in Salem

[mike martell]

Here is what OOC needs to focus on for the 2014 election here in Oregon.

Are you reading and following this Jerod Broadfoot or Wayne Endicot?

Time to call out Government, both State and Federal....This resembles our presidential election....Why is this even a contest?

The choice between Government hunting or private sport hunting for bear and cougar.

This is how to set up the voters' pamphlet through Secretary of State Kate Brown.

Will Oregonians choose to reinstate ethical sport hunting with hounds for bear and cougar or continue to fund the Government's unethical methods of slaughter of our animals? YES OR NO?
Results of a yes vote for hound hunting.

Will oregonians reinstate the hound as a responsible management tool for the State department of Fish and Wildlife, sport hunters pay to hunt and utilize the harvest,going back to pre ban 1994 law will prohibit the killing of lactating female bear and cougar.

Results of a no vote.

Will Government funded hunting continue with tax payer/sport hunter funds to kill cougar over Government/contractor hounds and continue to use snares instead of hounds where management objectives must to be met? Current "kill all" mandates will remain in place.

"Unknown" defines baby cubs, Left where the are shot and those those bear caught in snares that are removed, processing and distribution to homeless shelters also will continue to be funded by the tax payer and sport hunter. Those cougar being killed over Government/contractor hounds, Males, Females and baby kittens will continue to be hauled and dumped in the land fill and you the tax paying citizen and sport hunter will continue to pay for these Administrative removals. Bears are killed on Privately owned Corporate Timber lands,not state lands.



Just that damn simple...

Mike Martell