Guide in Idaho, Units 32/ 32a proposal?

[beardogger]

I talked to codi korrel (chris brother)this last winter at chevron in horseshu bend and they were in good snow and they could not cut a track so that tells you something. To me it says that they have gotten greedy and over harvested and now they are lookin for new areas to over harvest. And brushcreek you are a guide maybe an outfitter so your opinion means nothing

[hounddude]

Fact is that area don't need an ottfitter in there. It's already over run with hunters. There's no place that any person could not access & hunt with out the aid of an outfitter. Why should a couple people be able to have a negative affect on a public resource. Just so they can make some money. The days of outfitters getting new areas & pushing out the general public to make a buck should be over. That's the way I see it.

Mark

[furnfir]

Im a little confused i guess, hyde stated the outfitter was applying for private and state land. I thought Korrel was already approved for private and state land. I would also GUESS it has been commented on and approved by Idaho Outfitters and Guide board and Idaho Fish and Game at some time or the outfitter wouldn't be able to opperate? I just dont want to see this turn into an anti outfitter bash. If there is not enough game to support it then thats different. JMO

[ckorell]

Before everything gets out of hand here are the real facts. I am the outfitter applying for the permit. I am already licensed by the Idaho Outfitters and Guides Board for the State and private lands in the area. The area itself is only that part of 32/32A in the Squaw Cr. drainage. It has been commented on by the Idaho Fish and Game. This is how the self imposed quota on harvest at two bear and two lions per year was put on the license. It was placed there to eliminate the concerns of overharvest. This limit is for all lands State, Federal, and private combined. After being licensed there now for a year I have harvested one tom lion on private ground. I know of another private hunter who killed 5 lions in this area this winter. I am licensed for over 500 square miles of area in units 33,35,and 39. I only harvest 5-6 tom lions per year in this much area. If I wanted to just kill lions I could take 30 hunters per year. My areas are not overhunted and it can be verified by checking my use reports with IOGLB or IDFG. There has never been a outfitter in this part of unit 32/32A. If there had been there would never have had to be a competive interest ad in the paper. This ad in the local paper is meant to see if anybody else is interested in the permit. If anybody has any questions my email address is on our website at korelloutfitters.com

[T.Hunt]

[mixed bunch]

ckorell so a few questions is it true you sit on the outfitters and guides licensing board? if so how can another outfitter have a chance to this area with you on the board? in the meeting notes from Aug 24 and 25 it says that you requested 4 bear tags and 4 lion tags is this not true? has there been another meeting where the number of tags requested have been changed? my opinion is that these area is already over hunted with guys stacked on top of each other since it is so easy to hunt that i personally do not want to deal with an outfitter and clients killing females and samll critters. i also do not want to see the pool of tags shrink and have less chance of drawing a tag while you get them right off the top, if you want to draw your tags like everyones else fine but we both know that is not how it works. lets face it we all know the area is not what it used to be as far as qulity bears and lions but when you have a client wanting to kill something you will to keep them happy and to get paid as well as a good review. i am not trying to put you down i just dont want you in there outfitting.

[T.Hunt]

[hyde]

All I know is this everyone. I got my information From The State of Idaho Outfitters and Guides Licensing Board, here is the link. http://oglb.idaho.gov/pdf/minutes/2011- ... 083554.pdf.

This is what was stated on the bottom of pg 2 and the top of page 3 on Aug25,26,2011 Minutes.
Korell Outfitters- Board member Kris Korell explained that he has submitted two applications:one, to add state and private lands for bear,lion wolf and bobcat in unit 32-A, and another for adjoining lands administered by the USFS and BLM for the same activities. He said that he was proposing that his clients harvest four bear and four cougars in this overall area and the use days be limited to twenty days each. Director Howard explained that he had discussed the federal land application with the USFS District Ranger who is doing the resource analysis for both agencies and felt that he was moving forward appropriately. The Director said that he understands that a final LMS was not likely to be issued by the Ranger until later this year or early next year. He said he was not aware of any competitive interests or issue. MSC(MOTION:LONG, SECOND,STARK-AYES: HUNSUCKER,NAYES:-NONE) TO PARTIALLY APPROVE THE OUTFITTER APPLICATION FOR UNITS #32 AND 32A TO ADD ADDITIONAL HUNTING ACTIVITIES FOR BEAR, COUGAR, WOLF AND BOBCAT AS IT RELATES TO THE STATE LAND AND PRIVATE LAND DESCRIBEDTHERE IN, CONTINGENT ON COMMENTS FROM IDAHO FISH AND GAME DEPARTMENT SUPPORTING THE APPLICATION. THE BOARD WILL WAIT FOR COMMENTS FROM THE FEDERAL PERMITTING AGENCIES BEFORE CONSIDERING THE REMAINING PUBLIC LAND AS REQUESTED IN THE APPLICATION. Board member Korell abstained from this vote.....

That is what it said, word for word. If something has changed that I am not aware of, then please correct me. I would like the facts. However, I know that this is exactly what was written from that Board meeting. I am not here to bash Outfitters, I believe they have their place, I just do not feel that their place is in these units. I hold nothing personal against Chris, and ask that we do not turn this into an anti- Korell frenzy. We all have our beleifs, and some probebly do not agree with mine. I have sent my letter against this, and I hope it fails. Chris hopes it passes. In the end, we hopefully can all see each other on the mountain, on here, or even at the Gas station and be cival to one another as we head up for a hunt.

[hyde]

My link that I posted did not work correctly so I am going to post it once more.

http://oglb.idaho.gov/pdf/minutes/2011- ... 083554.pdf

I only have one more thing to say unless I am asked upon. In the mid 90's there was a guide wanting to come into these units to hunt, and I currently do not have the documentation to back this up , but I am certain that the Idaho Outfitters And Guides Assotiation are the ones that turned it down. Just something to think about.

[ckorell]

I will answer a few more of the questions that have been posted. According to USFS and IOGLB records there has been no licensed outfitter in the Squaw Cr. drainage. There is no one on a waiting list either. This allows me as a member of the public to apply for it. I currently live in Sweet and already have a permit on some of the Emmett Ranger District lands. The original proposal was for up to 4 bear and lion hunters. After the Aug.25 meeting the Fish and Game commented on it. They had no concern with the bear hunting because interested clients will have to draw like everybody else.I just cannot take tags off the top. They had some concern with the cougar population so I suggested a limit of 2 lion clients and to bear clients to eliminate any worries about me going in there and killing everything. It was agreed to by Fish and Game and IOGLB and that is what is on my license. I had been working on this proposal even before I was appointed to the board by Gov. Otter and my peers. I did also abstain from the vote. I do not allow clients to kill females or little cats. I get paid regardless if the client kills or not.My jog is to provide a quality experience not just kill everything. There is a need for a outfitter in this area. Every year I have a nonresident call me and want to hire me because I live in the area.I tell them I cannot take them. They cannot go with anybody else either because they cannot harvest a bear or lion over dogs without a hound hunter permit and as a nonresident they cannot go and buy one over the counter. They can however go with a licensed outfitter who has a valid hound hunter permit. Hope this answers some more questions.

[Trueblue]

[Dennis Fisher]

On this site I once told of why, when and what the different options were that we had when the Hound Permit was established. At the end of that I indicted my displeasure of what it had become. It was created to limit the Out of Stater's so areas of this State wouldn't be over run with Houndsman. A event, if it were to happen again, that endangers our sport just has it did then. The quota of those Out of Stater's to be allowed was set to follow all other big game species, 10% of the resident numbers of tags sold. It was never intended to control how the residents themselves hunt. Now I read a Outfitter wishes to bring even more out of Stater's than the establish quota would allow into a very highly hunted area, already closes to having to many Houndsman for groups like the archers, so he can make a profit. Now I see this has being totally ironic and very threatening to the Hound Hunting Sport, just has it was when we were forced into that dang Permit.

Tim, I once told you many now thought the IHA had turned into a field trial club only and didn't want to be part of that. The last time I know that the IHA fought for the Hound Hunting Sport was in 1998 in another battle on how the Hound Permit was worded. I also once told you that to gain back membership, give the members something to become involved in. The Houndsman of Idaho were once one of, if not the most high Organized Sporting Groups of the State. Back then this would of been easy to stop if the membership wished. A phone call to each of the Officers of the other Hounds clubs in the State to get their support. Then with their membership count, a letter stating your position and how many you represent would be hand delivered to all heads of the agencies involved. The power is in the numbers on any issue. Then a phone call to anyone of the other Sporting groups officers. The Nampa Bow Chiefs and Nampa Rod and Gun are both combined in the same building is where I liked the best. Two Organizations with one call with that one. But the Black Canyon Archery Club and the Emmett Gun Club would work just has well. From there these highly Organized groups would take this up themselves and let all other Clubs know about it.

Back at the end of the Bear Initiative in 96 the IHA membership was close to 300 Houndsman. Back then the houndsman of this Area WANTED to part part of a group that would fight tooth and nail on any issue for the betterment of the Sport of Hunting with Hounds. I sincerely hope that once again the Houndsman of this area would once again become organized together, where all have a voice and the power of our numbers, to protect and enhance our great Sport on issues such has this.

[brushcreek]

I disagree with the fellow hound hunters who have commented on this post. First of all I hunted in 32 last year and had three friends draw out tags last fall. There are plenty of bears in the training units. There are plenty of bears outside of the training units. If you have bear dogs and will hunt you will find this out. If you don't then you are invited to come along with me and maybe I could help out. 4 bears will not affect that area. If the outfitters follows sound judgement in business than he will take mature boars. The area has plenty of them. That would actually do more good than bad for Chris and the upcoming young bears survival rates. But it sounds like some of you are concerned about this guides ethics. Yes money always comes first and humans cannot be left unbridled. The area has a large population of bears and the 4 bears and 4 lions lost will not affect the total population as you folks seem to think. Yes, you might get beat to the bear rig before Chris and yes your peace and solitude will not be as it once was. But you might as well move on to a reservation and claim sovereign ownership to the land like the original hunters of the Americas. The facts are we will have competition and more people move into our grounds. I wish it was like the wild west but I'm grateful its still as open and opportunistic as it is. I have fears for the humans that live 100 years from now. They might not get to experience the adventures that I now freely enjoy. So guys and gals lets stop fighting amongst our own kind (we are all hound hunters, including Chris), Lets fight against the bigger issues. We are being infiltrated by liberals and yuppies mostly coming from the west coast because they have destroyed their society and states and they are trying too push the same failed policies on us. They will even try to get us to fight amongst ourselves and have us take away our own liberties by creating new laws which ultimately are burdens on our own backs. SO let this crap alone. It's petty.

[Catch]

Brushcreek well said!

I have two questions for the guide that wants to use public land just like every one else. 1st-The bear tags. Are they allotted, or are they drawn. 2nd- This unit isn't a draw for lion correct?

If this guide can jump the rope, get the units, and harvest trophy animals on public land. Good for him. Some are so worried about the guy making a buck and could careless about a friend or neighbor making $500 bucks illegally. This guy is going about it the right way. Look at the study area in the fall. The tag holder must have control of the dogs, yet there are five truck loads of dogs with the tag holder. Doesn't make sense. This guy wanting to do it legal won't make a dent in the populating. If the population is falling it is because of all those "helping" everyone else get thier friend a bear.

If you don't like others dictating what you can do on public land. Don't dictate yourself.
Just my .02 worth.

[Glen]

If wolves are a part of the deal then I think that this would help the area a lot more than it would hurt it.2 bears and 2 lions isnt going to hurt the population. If you dont like how many hunters are in there then go somewhere else.