Pistol packers?

[Arkansas Frog]

ON the klamath river[in the 90's] in Calif we killed all our bears with a 9mm luger with a wad cutter round, shot them right in the neck[broke it] head jumped up and when he hit the ground he was dead.
but we only killed for meat,down on the Hopi Rev we ran bears all year.

on that 44 is that cherry grips or rose wood??? they are pretty.

[papa]

Can u cite a court case where that opinion was upheld? I'm not sure that u "give up" ur 2nd amendment rights when you participate in an archery hunt...I would be interested in hearing from an actual instance where this was challenged.

[slowandeasy]

telling you that you cant have a sidearm in bow season is a violation of your second amendment no matter what state it is

No it's not. Here's why. When you head into the woods with the bow and bear/deer tag, you give up the second amendment right. Hunting is neither a right nor something you are forced to do. Therefore, you can't claim protection under the second amendment. I agree with you in principle but that's not how it's seen legally.

i'm afraid the above statement is true. just like driving a car is a privilage so is hunting also. when you sign up for the program you agree to play by the rules. where the problams arise is instead of tending the store, our polititions think the should be making laws upon laws. how they can even look themselves in the mirror when the whole country is falling apart around us. and be worried about bear hunting and bobcat hunting with hounds, and omiting four of the ten comandments is really unbelieveable. i believe we really only have two choices. 1) vote the bums out. 2) or litterally grab them by the back of the neck and kick their asses out. it will happen one way or the other eventually. i am curious to see how, and how long it takes.
but never the less the fuse is burning. i guess we will see if stupid can be fixed. take care!


OH AND DON'T FORGET WE ALSO HAVE TO GIVE THE GAY'S THEIR TROPHY.

[J.T.]

only a matter of time before someone goes off the deep end

[ferjr]

on that 44 is that cherry grips or rose wood??? they are pretty.

I think they are rose wood, but Iam not positive.

[lepcur]

telling you that you cant have a sidearm in bow season is a violation of your second amendment no matter what state it is

No it's not. Here's why. When you head into the woods with the bow and bear/deer tag, you give up the second amendment right. Hunting is neither a right nor something you are forced to do. Therefore, you can't claim protection under the second amendment. I agree with you in principle but that's not how it's seen legally.

i'm afraid the above statement is true. just like driving a car is a privilage so is hunting also. when you sign up for the program you agree to play by the rules. where the problams arise is instead of tending the store, our polititions think the should be making laws upon laws. how they can even look themselves in the mirror when the whole country is falling apart around us. and be worried about bear hunting and bobcat hunting with hounds, and omiting four of the ten comandments is really unbelieveable. i believe we really only have two choices. 1) vote the bums out. 2) or litterally grab them by the back of the neck and kick their asses out. it will happen one way or the other eventually. i am curious to see how, and how long it takes.
but never the less the fuse is burning. i guess we will see if stupid can be fixed. take care!

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OH AND DON'T FORGET WE ALSO HAVE TO GIVE THE GAY'S THEIR TROPHY.

[dwalton]

In Oregon it was contested. We can now ware a side arm while bow hunting or at any other time for our own protection. I don't know the ruling that changed it but I am sure you could find it on the web. Dewey

[papa]

Driving on the hiways and roads of our country is not a privelege...it is a consititutionally given right as citizens. You don't legally have to have a drivers license unless you are driving commercially to make money. I have in my possesion a "right to travel voucher", which gives me the right to travel as a citizen. It has been presented to police officers when stopped for traffic violations and has been accepted. I also have friends who have taken the plates off of their vehicle and sent them back to the state. There is a lot of stuff that our gov't has been doing that is not required under the constitution. They will keep doing it until someone challenges them. They have no right to infringe on your right to carry a firearm when you are engaged in some other lawful activity. They will if you let em! You might want to carry a pocket edition of the constitution with you. Most of our law enforcement personel have never read it. Probably should have put this in a seperate post.

[mountain top]

Driving on the hiways and roads of our country is not a privelege...it is a consititutionally given right as citizens. You don't legally have to have a drivers license unless you are driving commercially to make money. I have in my possesion a "right to travel voucher", which gives me the right to travel as a citizen. It has been presented to police officers when stopped for traffic violations and has been accepted. I also have friends who have taken the plates off of their vehicle and sent them back to the state. There is a lot of stuff that our gov't has been doing that is not required under the constitution. They will keep doing it until someone challenges them. They have no right to infringe on your right to carry a firearm when you are engaged in some other lawful activity. They will if you let em! You might want to carry a pocket edition of the constitution with you. Most of our law enforcement personel have never read it. Probably should have put this in a seperate post.

I'm pretty sure the constitution never mentioned "driving on hiways roads" when it was written. That Right to travel Voucher you have, i can go print one off right now and it doesnt make it legal. you do have the right to travel without a drivers licence, you'll just have to hoof it. are you also a "Sovereign Citizen"?
I might go out today and kill a few nursing sows and cubs or kitten lions, because hey as long as Ive got a sheet of paper with my siginature on it that says its ok to do so.
Dont get wrong, im a deputy sheriff and i will be the first to tell you that the system is surely flawed, but making @#!% as you go aint the solution. if we all did that we may as well be wearing rags on our heads and throwing rocks at tanks.

[papa]

Mountaintop...right to travel applies in any era regardless of the accepted mode of transportation...I personally know several people who have presented travel vouchers when stopped by state troopers as well as county sherrif deputies, here in N.M...in every instance they were accepted....and , no, i'm not part of the soveriegn citizen movement...I happen to be part of a group of people who oddly enough, believe in the constitution and the rights of American citizens...I would be curious to know how much of the consititution you are up to date on, as a member of law enforcement...you would'nt be the first who was totally ignorant of your limits and boundaries...you may want to get a little further from Washington dc and smell the air ...something refreshing about liberty and freedom...unless you view that as a threat!

[papa]

By the way, I am a firm believer in government and law and order. I appreciate your willingness to serve in the capacity you are in. This gov't has gone way beyond its boundaries and will continue to do so, unless we say "no more". I mean that in a peaceful and legal manner. There is a better way!

[mountain top]

I tend to stay on the leanent side of things, Thank God for officer discrestion, because there are ALOT of laws i do not agree with. As far as the vouchers go, there are far more issues that deserve LEO attention than traffic, and you are right i do need to get further away from DC and as soon as I can Im going off the grid. I didnt mean to snap at you Papa, most of the people I encounter that start talking defiance are usually common criminals, and I doubt like hell your one of em. A revolution is coming, and coming fast and ill be the first to lay down "their gun" and pick up my own and Ill be right there beside you. come down south for a spell and you really feel the tension.

[papa]

mountain top...I had the privilege of driving thru your beautiful state in March going to my daughters home in Maryland...I was asleep when we came into Va....my wife was driving and failed to see the sign regarding radar detectors...a state trooper pulled me over and asked for my detector..said his radar detector "detector" detected my detector...$190 later...I accused him of not playing fair, but he smiled and kept writing! Oh well...I really hope we are in for some positive change this year...not looking to Washington for it, but I believe we can change our county and our community!

[slowandeasy]

papa, i under stand exactly how ya feel. there is also some that feel you really don't have to pay income tax, as it started out as a war tax and was suposed to be stoped. and the greedy sobs just continued to mooch off us. some may think it would be tax evasion not to pay your income tax. but i know a guy that refused to have a social security number, will not allow employers to take taxes from his pay. and on his w-2 claims no tax liability. he claims you are only a tax evader if you pledge a percentage to pay on the w-2 and than don't pay and he's been doing it for ten years and has an address where he lives and they haven't put him in a cage yet. maybe there alot or things the government don't want us to know. i have always felt what the heck it's the best country in the world and felt i should pay my share and was always was happy to. but the bums have gotten out of control how cool would it be to simply defund the sobs and watch them flee washington like roaches when ya turn the lights on them .oh well i guess it would be nice to know when you could tell them to go to hell and when ya couldn't. but i guess i just hope it isn't to late to get the mess straightened out. take care!

[slowandeasy]

mountaintop quote:A revolution is coming, and coming fast and ill be the first to lay down "their gun" and pick up my own and Ill be right there beside you.


so will our milatary as the politicians have pissed down their backs for along time and told them it was just rain! VERY SAD