Bear hunting in mt
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Bear hunting in mt
Do you think fwp will ever allow us to run bear Montana?
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dhostetler
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Re: Bear hunting in mt
The Montana Legislature has to first amend the Montana Code to allow the use of hounds, before FWP can allow it. There is a good chance that a bill will get introduced to do that in the upcoming legislature that starts in January. If a bill gets introduced be sure to contact your local Represantive & Senator and ask them to support it.
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dhostetler
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Re: Bear hunting in mt
HB 144 has been introduced in the Montana Legislature to allow the use of hounds to hunt bears. Be sure to contact your local state legislators and ask them to support the bill.
Re: Bear hunting in mt
http://laws.leg.mt.gov/legprd/LAW0203W$ ... TY_ID_SEQ=
Above is the link to the bill and its information. It appears like the hearing will probably be before the end of January.
In order for the Bill to get past the committee, there will need to be people willing to testify before the committee hearing in favor of it. Any takers? Also, you will probably need at least one FWP Commissioner there in favor. I realize it's wordy, but below are some instructions I copied from the Montana State Legislature about how to testify before a committee.
Testifying Before a Committee
The U.S. and state constitutions give every citizen the right to speak on public
issues and to be heard by officials at every level of government. At the Montana
Legislature, that means you have the right to share your thoughts and opinions
about any public issue under consideration by lawmakers.
The state Legislature functions in an open
and public atmosphere. Committee
meetings and floor sessions are open to
the public. All votes must be taken in
public and recorded for public access.
One of the most important opportunities
to become involved in the debate over a
bill is when it is the subject of a hearing
before a legislative committee. You can
communicate personally with legislators at any time about any bill, but the
committee hearing is the occasion when anyone may publicly approve, oppose, or
suggest changes to a bill.
You can testify on any bill that concerns you. All committee hearings are scheduled
at least three days in advance.
Committee hearings allow you to speak your mind before the committee takes any
action and before the bill is brought to the attention of the House and Senate for
debate and a final vote.
The purpose of committee hearings is to gather information so that the committee
can make an informed recommendation on a given bill or resolution. Legislators
were elected to represent citizens like you. They are eager to hear your thoughts
and perspective. Don't be intimidated, and don't let stage fright stop you from
taking this opportunity to participate in your government!
How to Find a Committee
During legislative sessions, each committee of the House and Senate is assigned to
a specific meeting room in the Capitol. Occasionally, if a hearing is expected to
attract a large crowd, it may be moved to a larger room. Such changes are noted on
hearing schedules, and notices are placed outside the regular meeting rooms.
The time and place of every committee hearing is posted several days in advance on
the boards reserved for that purpose in the legislative hallways. In addition,
computer terminals are placed in the halls for the convenience of the public. You
may use these terminals to get accurate, up-to-the-minute information on the
status of each introduced bill. You may also call or visit the Session Information
Montana Legislature: Testifying Before a Committee Desk in the first floor hall of the Capitol, (406) 444-4800 (during session only), or
check hearing information on the Internet.
Printed schedules of each day's hearings are available at the Session Information
Desk, and some major Montana newspapers print the hearing schedules each day of
the session. You may enter a legislative hearing room at any time, even if the door is closed or a hearing is in progress. The common standards of courtesy and respect apply; enter
quietly if a meeting is in progress. Be sure to turn off your cell phone before
entering. Food and drink (other than water) are not permitted in hearing rooms.
How to Get a Copy of a Bill
During legislative sessions, copies of bills are available for a small charge in the Bill
Distribution Room (Room 74) in the basement of the Capitol. Because a bill may
be amended at many stages of its life, be sure you have the most recent version.
Bills are also available electronically on this website through the Legislative
Automated Workflow System, or LAWS. (Please note that the printed version of a
bill is the official version; the electronic version may not be in its final form when
posted.)
Know the Committee
You may find it helpful before attending a committee hearing to find out who the
members are.
Members of all committees are appointed by legislative leaders before the opening
of each session. Rosters are announced in the media, listed in various directories,
and available online.
The speaker of the House or the Senate Committee on Committees designates the
presiding officer and vice presiding officer of each committee. The presiding officer,
or chair, conducts the hearing and applies the rules of the Legislature. The vice
chair presides in the absence of the chair. Both are members of the party holding a
majority of seats in the chamber that the committee represents.
A staff person from one of the Legislative Branch agencies is permanently assigned
to each committee to provide professional assistance. Each committee also has a
secretary assigned for the session to keep the record and perform clerical functions.
Committee hearings are as informal and unpretentious as decorum allows.
Because the committee tries to consider several bills at each meeting, the chair will
allot time for proponents and opponents of each measure. The chair also will call for
informational witnesses. These are people who are neither for nor against a bill but
who have objective information that may be useful to the committee as it
deliberates. After all the testimony is over, the chair will allow committee members
to ask questions of those who have testified.
Seating in committee rooms is limited, so plan to arrive a few minutes before the
hearing begins to get a chair and reduce diversions after the meeting opens. Be
sure you turn off your cell phone before you enter. Sign the witness sheet for the
committee record, indicating the number of the bill that you are interested in and
whether you support or oppose it.
At a hearing with many prospective witnesses, there may not be time for everyone
to testify. In that case, you may be asked to state only your name and whether you
are a proponent or opponent. You can always submit written testimony to the
committee, even if you are not given the opportunity to speak due to time
constraints. If you know that several other people plan to offer testimony similar to
yours, try to coordinate with them to eliminate time-consuming redundancy. You
may even want to designate one or several representatives to speak on behalf of a
group of people with a shared viewpoint.
Each bill hearing opens with the bill's sponsor explaining its purpose and
background. The presiding officer will then ask to hear statements from proponents,
followed by opponents and then informational witnesses, if there are any.
When your turn to testify comes, begin by addressing the presiding officer and
committee members (for example, "Mr. Chairman, members of the committee….").
Then identify yourself by name, hometown, occupation, affiliation, or other
information that will indicate your acquaintance with the subject. Be specific,
confine your remarks to the subject at issue, and indicate clearly your reasons for
supporting or opposing the bill.
You are strongly encouraged to provide a written copy of your testimony to
committee members and the committee secretary, so that your testimony will
become part of the official record. But do not let the fact that you have not prepared
a written statement stop you from testifying.
Media Coverage
Because all committee meetings are open to the public, members of the media may
be present. Be aware that your statements may be quoted in the newspaper, or you
may appear on television, either testifying or sitting in the audience.
Many committee meetings are broadcast by TVMT, a state government public-affairs
broadcasting service. TVMT may distribute the televised proceedings to various
Montana local access and public television stations. TVMT also broadcasts
committee hearings on screens located throughout the Capitol.
Questions from the Committee
After witnesses have testified, the presiding officer will allow committee members to
ask questions of them and the bill's sponsor. If you are called upon, respond
directly. Start your response by addressing the presiding officer and then the
legislator who asked the question ("Mr. Chairman, Senator So-and-so….").
Remember that only committee members are allowed to ask questions. You may
speak only when called upon.
When committee members have concluded their questions, the sponsor will make a
closing statement to end the hearing on that particular bill.
Executive Action
The committee may hold hearings on more than one bill during a meeting. If the
hearings do not take up all of the meeting time, the committee may go into
executive session to review the information that it has gathered and to discuss
whether to recommend passage of the bills before it.
The executive session is open to the public. You are welcome to observe and listen,
but you may not join in the discussion.
During the executive session, the members may express their views on the bill,
propose and adopt or reject amendments, and finally take a recorded vote for a
recommendation of "do pass" or "do not pass" or other action on the bill.
If time is short, the committee may wait to take executive action on a bill at a later
meeting.
Above is the link to the bill and its information. It appears like the hearing will probably be before the end of January.
In order for the Bill to get past the committee, there will need to be people willing to testify before the committee hearing in favor of it. Any takers? Also, you will probably need at least one FWP Commissioner there in favor. I realize it's wordy, but below are some instructions I copied from the Montana State Legislature about how to testify before a committee.
Testifying Before a Committee
The U.S. and state constitutions give every citizen the right to speak on public
issues and to be heard by officials at every level of government. At the Montana
Legislature, that means you have the right to share your thoughts and opinions
about any public issue under consideration by lawmakers.
The state Legislature functions in an open
and public atmosphere. Committee
meetings and floor sessions are open to
the public. All votes must be taken in
public and recorded for public access.
One of the most important opportunities
to become involved in the debate over a
bill is when it is the subject of a hearing
before a legislative committee. You can
communicate personally with legislators at any time about any bill, but the
committee hearing is the occasion when anyone may publicly approve, oppose, or
suggest changes to a bill.
You can testify on any bill that concerns you. All committee hearings are scheduled
at least three days in advance.
Committee hearings allow you to speak your mind before the committee takes any
action and before the bill is brought to the attention of the House and Senate for
debate and a final vote.
The purpose of committee hearings is to gather information so that the committee
can make an informed recommendation on a given bill or resolution. Legislators
were elected to represent citizens like you. They are eager to hear your thoughts
and perspective. Don't be intimidated, and don't let stage fright stop you from
taking this opportunity to participate in your government!
How to Find a Committee
During legislative sessions, each committee of the House and Senate is assigned to
a specific meeting room in the Capitol. Occasionally, if a hearing is expected to
attract a large crowd, it may be moved to a larger room. Such changes are noted on
hearing schedules, and notices are placed outside the regular meeting rooms.
The time and place of every committee hearing is posted several days in advance on
the boards reserved for that purpose in the legislative hallways. In addition,
computer terminals are placed in the halls for the convenience of the public. You
may use these terminals to get accurate, up-to-the-minute information on the
status of each introduced bill. You may also call or visit the Session Information
Montana Legislature: Testifying Before a Committee Desk in the first floor hall of the Capitol, (406) 444-4800 (during session only), or
check hearing information on the Internet.
Printed schedules of each day's hearings are available at the Session Information
Desk, and some major Montana newspapers print the hearing schedules each day of
the session. You may enter a legislative hearing room at any time, even if the door is closed or a hearing is in progress. The common standards of courtesy and respect apply; enter
quietly if a meeting is in progress. Be sure to turn off your cell phone before
entering. Food and drink (other than water) are not permitted in hearing rooms.
How to Get a Copy of a Bill
During legislative sessions, copies of bills are available for a small charge in the Bill
Distribution Room (Room 74) in the basement of the Capitol. Because a bill may
be amended at many stages of its life, be sure you have the most recent version.
Bills are also available electronically on this website through the Legislative
Automated Workflow System, or LAWS. (Please note that the printed version of a
bill is the official version; the electronic version may not be in its final form when
posted.)
Know the Committee
You may find it helpful before attending a committee hearing to find out who the
members are.
Members of all committees are appointed by legislative leaders before the opening
of each session. Rosters are announced in the media, listed in various directories,
and available online.
The speaker of the House or the Senate Committee on Committees designates the
presiding officer and vice presiding officer of each committee. The presiding officer,
or chair, conducts the hearing and applies the rules of the Legislature. The vice
chair presides in the absence of the chair. Both are members of the party holding a
majority of seats in the chamber that the committee represents.
A staff person from one of the Legislative Branch agencies is permanently assigned
to each committee to provide professional assistance. Each committee also has a
secretary assigned for the session to keep the record and perform clerical functions.
Committee hearings are as informal and unpretentious as decorum allows.
Because the committee tries to consider several bills at each meeting, the chair will
allot time for proponents and opponents of each measure. The chair also will call for
informational witnesses. These are people who are neither for nor against a bill but
who have objective information that may be useful to the committee as it
deliberates. After all the testimony is over, the chair will allow committee members
to ask questions of those who have testified.
Seating in committee rooms is limited, so plan to arrive a few minutes before the
hearing begins to get a chair and reduce diversions after the meeting opens. Be
sure you turn off your cell phone before you enter. Sign the witness sheet for the
committee record, indicating the number of the bill that you are interested in and
whether you support or oppose it.
At a hearing with many prospective witnesses, there may not be time for everyone
to testify. In that case, you may be asked to state only your name and whether you
are a proponent or opponent. You can always submit written testimony to the
committee, even if you are not given the opportunity to speak due to time
constraints. If you know that several other people plan to offer testimony similar to
yours, try to coordinate with them to eliminate time-consuming redundancy. You
may even want to designate one or several representatives to speak on behalf of a
group of people with a shared viewpoint.
Each bill hearing opens with the bill's sponsor explaining its purpose and
background. The presiding officer will then ask to hear statements from proponents,
followed by opponents and then informational witnesses, if there are any.
When your turn to testify comes, begin by addressing the presiding officer and
committee members (for example, "Mr. Chairman, members of the committee….").
Then identify yourself by name, hometown, occupation, affiliation, or other
information that will indicate your acquaintance with the subject. Be specific,
confine your remarks to the subject at issue, and indicate clearly your reasons for
supporting or opposing the bill.
You are strongly encouraged to provide a written copy of your testimony to
committee members and the committee secretary, so that your testimony will
become part of the official record. But do not let the fact that you have not prepared
a written statement stop you from testifying.
Media Coverage
Because all committee meetings are open to the public, members of the media may
be present. Be aware that your statements may be quoted in the newspaper, or you
may appear on television, either testifying or sitting in the audience.
Many committee meetings are broadcast by TVMT, a state government public-affairs
broadcasting service. TVMT may distribute the televised proceedings to various
Montana local access and public television stations. TVMT also broadcasts
committee hearings on screens located throughout the Capitol.
Questions from the Committee
After witnesses have testified, the presiding officer will allow committee members to
ask questions of them and the bill's sponsor. If you are called upon, respond
directly. Start your response by addressing the presiding officer and then the
legislator who asked the question ("Mr. Chairman, Senator So-and-so….").
Remember that only committee members are allowed to ask questions. You may
speak only when called upon.
When committee members have concluded their questions, the sponsor will make a
closing statement to end the hearing on that particular bill.
Executive Action
The committee may hold hearings on more than one bill during a meeting. If the
hearings do not take up all of the meeting time, the committee may go into
executive session to review the information that it has gathered and to discuss
whether to recommend passage of the bills before it.
The executive session is open to the public. You are welcome to observe and listen,
but you may not join in the discussion.
During the executive session, the members may express their views on the bill,
propose and adopt or reject amendments, and finally take a recorded vote for a
recommendation of "do pass" or "do not pass" or other action on the bill.
If time is short, the committee may wait to take executive action on a bill at a later
meeting.
Re: Bear hunting in mt
After a little research here is the email to the commissioners. It is far better to mail them in writting than to call. mailto:fwpcomm@mt.gov
The long bawl in early fall,the steady chop, the hammer drop. The chase and the tree, the passion of hunting for you and me. The old dog and the pup, the juvenile thats always corrupt.The snow the rain the laughter and pain. These dogs called hounds, we chase through the brush, waiting for the tree, our next big rush.
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dhostetler
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Re: Bear hunting in mt
The Committe hearing is Jan. 22, 2013 3 P.M. in Room #152. I am planning to be there as I am the guy that convinced Bill Harris to carry the bill. I will testify if I have to but I have never testified for anything so i would prefer someone with better speaking skills than me. I talked with one guy who said he will testify if his schedule permits. If there are any volunteers please PM me.
Re: Bear hunting in mt
Well not sure if he would do it or not. But, Will Collins has spoke at many of these functions. I would think he would do it if someone around the flathead is going that way. I will speak to him concerning this. He's been working towards our hound hunting rights for the better part of 40 years. Its an idea anyway. I myself am not great at speaking in front of large groups. One of our club presidents should be doing this dont ya think? Also I wonder if we could take some money that has been raised from our clubs and hire an attorny to speak at the meeting? Not sure if that makes sense but its an idea? There sure doesnt seem to be too many people commenting even on here about this topic? Wheres all the support. If ya dont support explain why. Its another step in the right direction of keeping hound hunting alive and well.This is when we need to ban together as houndsmen and I'm not seeing too much support here. COME ON FOLKS THIS IS WHEN WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT!!!
The long bawl in early fall,the steady chop, the hammer drop. The chase and the tree, the passion of hunting for you and me. The old dog and the pup, the juvenile thats always corrupt.The snow the rain the laughter and pain. These dogs called hounds, we chase through the brush, waiting for the tree, our next big rush.
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mondomuttruner
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Re: Bear hunting in mt
I feel the same iinvno1...I don't know much about this bill but I can't believe there isn't more chatter going on. I mean, this sounds like an opportunity that you shouldn't let slip by. I hope you guys and gals get it back.
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BIGBLUES
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Re: Bear hunting in mt
I am going to make the hearing. I am a member of Montana SFW and they have the know how to make things happen and the support. I have been talking to members and I think they are more than willing to support this bill. As far as you Houndsman ass. doing anything.... GOOD LUCK! If you would like to contact me to talk about this subject my number is 406-360-6379
We need more houndsmen in MT SFW so our voices can be heard.
We need more houndsmen in MT SFW so our voices can be heard.
Re: Bear hunting in mt
ok bigblues,again ignorant here. Im not sure how to take your last post. Gonna go hunt this mornin but check your post. i will call when i get home. Not being a jerk here just not sure how to take it. Oh ignorant again what is sfw?
The long bawl in early fall,the steady chop, the hammer drop. The chase and the tree, the passion of hunting for you and me. The old dog and the pup, the juvenile thats always corrupt.The snow the rain the laughter and pain. These dogs called hounds, we chase through the brush, waiting for the tree, our next big rush.
Re: Bear hunting in mt
ok a little more awake now. Houndsman associations? Read it earlier and read you houndsman ass and was thinkin me personally. Ok think I understand now. Bear with me here lil sleepy yet. Still not sure sfw? Will cal after a lil mornin hunt thanks blues. Still cant understand why there isnt more comments on this. People we need to let the folks in and out of montana about this so it doest crash before it starts.its gonna be tough as it is but without support it is impossible.So pipe up and get your asses in gear,
The long bawl in early fall,the steady chop, the hammer drop. The chase and the tree, the passion of hunting for you and me. The old dog and the pup, the juvenile thats always corrupt.The snow the rain the laughter and pain. These dogs called hounds, we chase through the brush, waiting for the tree, our next big rush.
Re: Bear hunting in mt
Hey guys also would be an idea to email all your hound buddies to get the word out.fwp sure wont. even though this would potentially generate millions of dollars its still alot of work for them so there will be some dragging of feet untill we get it passed.
The long bawl in early fall,the steady chop, the hammer drop. The chase and the tree, the passion of hunting for you and me. The old dog and the pup, the juvenile thats always corrupt.The snow the rain the laughter and pain. These dogs called hounds, we chase through the brush, waiting for the tree, our next big rush.
Re: Bear hunting in mt
I would be more than willing to speak on this issue, I have no problem speaking in public at all, we need to protect our rights as houndsmen and keep our sport alive. I am a young houndsmen that is very passionate about my sport. Please contact me at anytime, I will help in any way that I can.
Thank You
Ross Feenstra 406-579-3347
Thank You
Ross Feenstra 406-579-3347
Work Hard To Hunt Hard
Keep the tradition alive one tree at a time
Keep the tradition alive one tree at a time
Re: Bear hunting in mt
Every Hunter/Houndsmen in Montana NEEDS to step up and make a stand and do everything you can to get this bill pasted, the anti's here in California use the fact that Montana has never been allowed to use hounds for bears, this fight is for all of our hunting rights is not state by state if Montana can get something back WE all get something back!
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