Anyone ever use Rottweilers

[Bucunter1983]

[Pops]

just so you understand,
before a bunch of show fancy nimrods and dumb@$$es breeding oversized pets picked up on the term & started throwing it around, gamebred literally meant BOTH parents had been proven in the box or the dam was unproven but bred from proven stock and the sire was proven. some oldtimers only used the term if multiple generations (3 or more)were proven in the box.
gamebred dogs were not used on the frontier for anything but gambling. in the southern USA, when it was frontier, the main dogs were curs (not mutts but curs) and later herding dogs. in the plains herders & sighthounds were most common. the wooded northern states had a more varied mix of settlers and so didn't have a dominant type of dog during the frontier period. scenthounds came after the frontier had moved on and game was less plentiful or better educated. the few bulldogs in use were mostly in the south after the frontier period and were butcher's or farmer's type functionally identical to (and the main ancestor of) the modern American bulldog (although there was a fair bit of game dog crossed in). it was more widely used on free ranging hog herds than cattle. the high dog aggression made game or "pit" bulldogs more limited in usefulness then than now. the main reason they are more useful now is that a lot of cold dogs (not game) were & are bred and used for other purposes like hogdogs.
in fact the game dog as we know it was a creation of the early 19th century and didn't become start to become common (w/ sporting gentlemen & gamblers) in the USA until the mid 19th century. the war of northern aggression caused a huge setback in the growth of the breed which didn't kick off again real strong until the early 1870s in certain gambling hotspots like new orleans, & san fran. professional gamblers owned most of the breed but sporting gentlemen (who "bet on occassion") did most of the breeding. by and large cold dogs were put down until around the turn of the century. at that point a lot of cold dogs wound up being given to friends, family & neighbors as pets and they became popularly known as american bullterriers to differentiate from the english dogs which were now dominated by the all white hinks blood.

[lifreediver]

only two words ELI blood

[dogemdownsouth]

[Pops]

you believe whatever nonsense you want to believe.
i worked them. i have seen LEGAL matches in 3 countries. i am aquainted w/ a fella that worked Maurice Carver's yard. & i am aquainted w/ a retired dogman (dog fighter/breeder) that literally wrote the book on the breed history. He can recite the ancestry of the dogs he raised all the way back to their first imports from britain & ireland. the sole freaking purpose for the creation of the breed & the sole purpose for it's existance until it was outlawed in the 1970s & 80s was matching. the simple fact is any other "history" is nonsense made up by the same kind of morons that would have you believe the english bulldogs smashed face helps it breathe while catching bulls (nevermind the fact it'll kill them to walk around the block).
yes the residual gameness in cold dogs makes them good at other things but a truly gamebred dog is a matching dog w/all the dog aggression that carries. no matter how many batteries you burn out in your hotshot a truly gamebred dog will light into another dog sooner or later.
OTH truly gamebred dogs are almost never available to the general public and even I no longer have the personal ties needed to acquire one.

but don't take my word for it. you're in AR, carry your happy uninformed butt down to see Mr Floyd and ask him to tell you about the breeds real history & what gamebred means. while you're at it swing through TX and pic up bucunter so he can quit spouting that frontier nonsense.

[Bucunter1983]

Some folks know everything, You say you have seen legal matches in different countries. There is nothing worse than a man that likes to fight and watch dog fights, In my opinion sir you are a piece of shit.

[Pops]

well if it wasn't for the oldtime pieces of shit you dipthongs wouldn't have a pit bulldog or any of the catch dogs descended from it nor the opportunity to create fantasies about it's history. in fact it's a-holes like you that think you can train the DA away and don't really understand the breed that cause all the pit bull bans. back when only dog fighters had the breed you never saw pit bull kills kid headlines & no one wanted to ban them. so go cry to someone that cares.

[desertdog]

C'mon Pop's, say what you REALLY mean..lol. Truthfully though, some lines of "gamebred" Bulldogs are MUCH more easy going and tractable than others. I had a Heinzl bred Bulldog that was real good with other dog's. And I read something Carver wrote about "the boy's" taking their Bulldogs out in the countryside outside of San Antonio and setting the dog's on Coyote's. Also, about the Pit that roamed the range with him when he was Cowboyin' in Texas. Sure, most of them are as you describe, but, some lines are different..M.B.

[Bucunter1983]

http://www.pitbull411.com/history.html

When English immigrants came to America, their dogs came with them. Not surprisingly, dog fighting was common in America throughout the 19th century. However, as the immigrants traveled west, the pit bull took on a broader and more humane function. On the frontier, pit bulls assumed the role of an all-purpose dog. In addition to herding cattle and sheep they served as faithful guardians, protecting families and livestock from the ever-present threat of thieves and wild animals.
Read up POPS, Pits originated as a war dog as in human wars not dog wars, bred then as a hearding dog that would take down unruly bulls on the way to market. But hey I dont know anything

[Bucunter1983]

[Pops]

[dogemdownsouth]

apology excepted pops. now carry your old grumpy ass to pakastan. lol oh and be careful over there.

[Pops]

i got a while yet. the gov't has to send me to language school first and that is a year long.

[Bucunter1983]

Im going to leave this alone now, there is a smartass on every forum. The link is a plain and simple explination of the evolution of the pit bull and its origin. Plus what you are going on is the word of one man, while the link is a simple explination compiled by a group of historian's.

[cmogi10]

Pop's knows what he's talking about,

There's a lot of truths in that link, but it's also doing it's best to save the breed image to the public.

Coming from a Pitbull owner who looks down on fighting dogs.