pit bulls

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[Pops]

Bill not having hunted in NM i will just take your word for it.

[Vance M.]

Like said above if a someone has a dog over a #100 and are calling it a pit then they are blowing smoke. They may be calling it a pit but it is not!

Pops are you calling FB a Turner and Hooch type breeder? ?

[Pops]

[Redwood Coonhounds]

Pit Bulls and Am Staffs are the same, just show a different name on the papers. AKC being snooty just didn't like the name "Pit Bull". They changed there name just like AKC put's "American" in fron ot the B&T's name, or they now call Jack Russle's, "Parson Terriers."

My Mom breeds APBT/AST's, they are Reg both AKC/UKC so are in fact, both breeds, but the same dog. Just depends on what show they are at this weekend. The onyl thing you don't see is Rednose lines in AKC, because they didn't want them Reg. There standard says "nose must be black." So some Rednose lines are different. But Blue dogs are just a color coming from too much line/in breeding that made the color/pigment fade. Lots of health problems there and a lot of people getting screwed out of money.

I seen one APBT that was 89# on the scale. Biggest dog I ever saw. It was funny, I walked past so many dogs to hear the owner claim "this dog is 90lbs." When my dog on my leash was the same size. Just say "really 90lbs, I got a Certified Health Certificate in the car that says my dog is 55lbs. They sure look the same size." Sit back and watch the look on thier face. I love it too, most people have some of those dog 20lbs overweight, it cant walk 20ft without sitting down, and they think it's impressive cause it weights 80#s.

I also got a lot of "How much your dog weight? 70lbs?" Nope, 50. They could never believe it.

I gave up on the breed. Most of the owners are too ignorant, and it's not worth fighting anymore when 90% of thier owners are the ones that gave them the bad name to begin with. Sad too cause they are one of the best breeds.

[Vance M.]

Sorry Cassandra but I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. Staffs and pits are not the same breed. They may have came from the same dogs originally but threw many many years of selective breeding have made them into a totally different breed. The average person cant usually tell them apart. One has been bred for performance and the other bred for show. I would say 98% of the dogs people are calling pits today are really not.

Also you will never find a real bulldog (pitbull) in UKC or AKC.
AADR and ADBA is the registry for the real pitbulls.


I two have gotten out of pits around the time my son was born, about two years ago or so. I have spent many hours arguing with people about the disposition and temperament of pits. I am from the old school way of thinking. If one of my pits even thought about acting nasty to a human they would have been sucking dirt. It is a real shame that the street punks and drug dealers got a hold of this great breed and are ruining it for everyone.

Pops
I was told once that Butcher Boy was the last of the big pits. I cant remember who said it right now but it was an old timmer

[Pops]

[nightowl24]

gr.ch.mayday was the biggest and argueably the best of the catchweights(as a dog and as a producer). butcher boy was a fine dog one of the best, funny thing is he threw really small dogs. mayday was a big dog that threw big dogs, also butcher boy had really low percentages, mayday's was threw the roof.

some of the worst manbiters out there are down from bullyson, he was a borderline crazy dog, but one heck of a producer. bullyson, maverick, reno, dogs are some of the best in texas but you have to be an experience dogman to handle them. some are very docile others are bonkers. that line resides in la and tx, canjun rules. to much fire not to breed them...pits are some of the nicest dogs ever, they aren't naturally mean dogs to people. they like the affection to much.

i too used to fight the battle but i gave it up. all i say now is it's the breeding and the way they are raised. one, the other, or both. after that i really don't get into long debates it's useless. people already have their mindds made up that pits are bad, but most of the dogs that are involved in bitings are even pits, they are a cross of some sort. it's a shame, a pure shame..

[Liz ODell]

[nightowl24]

[hemihound0713]

If i would say, they are all related, but there is a big difference in what is what, most of your UKC dogs now a days are mixed with bulldogs, you can see it in them, The ones that i think look like the original pit bull are ADBA dogs. Here is a picture of my dog "Baby" and she in my opinion looks like an original pitty.

[three rivers catahoulas]

Any thing bigger then 65lbs isn't a pit. I use AB's and my male is 115lbs and he's a monster. I have only seen one bull breed dog that was even close to a buck forty and he was a johnson type bulldog and he was only 135lbs and like longshot said useless any heat would have killed him. I have seen mastiff type dogs that big, but generaly speaking they dont make good catch dogs because they dont have the pray drive. The only big dogs like that I have seen, that do have the pray drive are the Ban Dogs. The Dogo's shouldn't be that big either, the breed standard is 110lbs and thats a big one. Pits are great dogs, dont get me wrong, but from what I've seen, it takes 2-3 pits to do what a good American Bulldog will do by himself. And I know all you guys that hunt pit's are gonna jump all over me for saying that, but I've caught alot of hogs with the Bulldogs that I've had and have and I have had a few good pits too. But the fact of the matter is, There is no replacement for displacement. And from what I have seen the AB's can out run and out last the pits and AmStaff's all day long. The only bully type dog I have seen that could keep up with the AB's as far as stamina goes are the Dogos. And that expereance is in the mountains of N.California from 0-6000 feet elevation and canyons it takes all day to get to the bottom of.

[killemallboy]

i agree with chuck a little but the line of pit bulls i have are fast and when i mean fast 30-33 mph and if you dont beleave me i will prove it i have personaly clocked it now yes it does take a couple dogs do the job but where i hunt and boarrunner can clearify for me those hogs are the size of a small rihno,and if you do your research a pitbull came from 2 types of dogs 1 was a blue neo mastiff and the other a colby line pitbull or other wise know as a american staffshire terriers back in the early 1900 the akc/ukc could only pick one or the other now also i breed the most high strung line of pit there weights are usually 85 for females 85-110 for males and i got the proff and if you say they are not clean lines you are wrong it is called seletive breeding so in the end it is all on personel preference that is all i have to say thanks now before any one dogs on pits you need to have the knowledge to the areguement and i am not try to offend any one but those are the real facts and if you want some books i can give you some names of some good ones thanks

[Pops]

[nightowl24]