Catch dogs other Than Bully's

[Liz ODell]

[quote="Pops"]lots of people breeding bandogs, they just aren't calling them that. they're sold as giant pit bulls (gotti/razors edge have neo in them, big block & dagger have bordeaux & whopper has mastiff or bullmastif), pit bullmastiff, canis panther, american bull molosser, american alaunt, swinford sporting dog (not related to john swinford's stock) & dozens of other silly names. [quote]
oops...John Swinford (getting the Carl from Semincic), wasn't Semincic breeding bandogs (bandogges) at one time too? So the bandogge has lapsed into that awful new 'Bully' breed that all the gangsters are breeding? Yuck. They are ceratinly not the longlegged, long muscled, monster that Swinford wanted.

[Moonshiner]

Well i have a pit mix girl, but I just gave her to my parents for a watchdog, and she is quite a good one too. But im trying to find a good male, what crosses would ya'll recommend, that produce decent critters?

[Pops]

Liz
don't get me wrong there are people producing excellent bandogs far beyond what John Swinford ever could have. Carl Semincic's books are generally misinformation at best and blatant BS at worst. to my knowledge he never bred anything. W/O those books the world would be blissfully ignorant of the swinford myth. the main issue w/ him is that his dogs were unproven for what they were sold as, personal protection. his legacy is the swinford sporting dog association. the members do essentially the same thing (selling untested & unproven stock as premier personal protection dogs) while worshiping at the altar of john d. some of the members are actually very likeable people as long as you don't discuss the subject of testing & proving the dogs. i find it odd they use the word sporting, since the only sport swinford ever did w/ his dogs was to roll a few in the box as catchweight dogs.
there are however people like Joe Lucero, who are producing good working high intensity protection dogs & calling them bandogs in reference to the old saxon bandog. not all program use pits, although pit over neo is the most common foundation. some good programs involve bourdeaux, bullmastiff & english mastiff to pit. one excellent bandog program uses an exceptionally athletic drivey neo over american bulldogs as it's foundation. the dogs produced by these programs are more than most people can handle, even experienced dog handlers. they are everything a good military sheperd or mal is plus size, and unbreakable spirit.

[Moonshiner]

Good info Pops. I just picked myself up a new "spotted pit" last night and Im pretty happy with his size, hes the brother to my lil girl Sweetie, but much larger, at almost 5mo he's at 40+lbs, and nice and blocky already but with an athletic frame. I cant wait to find some coyote or pig and test him out on it.

[ushog]

We use argentina dogos to catch hogs. They are very smart dogs and train well.

[three rivers catahoulas]

Plott's or Curs make just fine catch dogs, all the Plott's I have right now catch just as hard if not harder then all my buddies Pit's or Pit crosses. Now they arn't an American Bulldog or a Dogo. But I dont run any bull breeds any more and my Plott's catch every thing they start, well at least 95% of every thing they start.

[plottpappaw]

The best catch dog i have ever owned was an airedale! They can even trail a little but stock is important on purchasing one! My advice on a stock would be the oorang stock! Proven catch dogs and yes they can hold on and the thicker hair is like a second cut vest! Less likely to get hurt than a pit! Real good with kids to!

[waylon]

i'm starting to get the feeling plottpappaw dont care much for pit's!

[plottpappaw]

You would be correct! I have seen to many dog fights started by a pit and attacked by one when i was younger and the last straw was when one went for my face bout six months ago!

[hog catcher28]

I use plotts and blueticks. I use them as running catchdogs i havnt seen a hog yet that they cant stop and catch and hold. the meaner the hog the better they like it!! why feed pits when hounds trail.bay and catch! so dont let anyone tell you hounds wont make good catchdogs its bull crap!!!! been too tx there hogs are not any meaner then hogs in Ga. La. Fl. dogs catching on butt/nads LOL LOL dont come here with them sh#t eats they wont live long in these swamps

[Pops]

go to TX seen plenty of hogs that wouldn't stop for hounds nipping his butt & nads. but then i've also seen 15# terriers that could consistantly stop boars by catching on the nads. also seen a hog run off w/ 35-40# pitbull earrings which we pried off dead when the curdogs fnially ran him to exhaustion. lots of dogs can catch lots of hogs, but when it absolutely needs to be stopped right here right now nothing comes close to a big meathead w/ the size & structure to dominate a boar.
i hear a crapload about pits starting fights but IME ive seen about 4 fight picking hounds for every fightpicking bulldog (in fact i'm turned off walkers because of it). if houndsmen would measure the marks on their dogs they be surprised how many rough bear dogs aren't getting chewed up by bear at all. the bigger issue w/ houndsmen isn't the fight picking (which most bulldogs can be cured of w/ liberal use of a hotshot) it's the fight finishing (and when they are out a few thousand dollars they don't care who started it). OTH if a bulldog can't defend himself effectively against a little old hound he ain't gonna do a damn bit of good on anything else.

[Cajun]

I have had pit catchdogs for 30 years. Alot of it is bloodlines & alot on how u train them. I will not put up with a dogfighter of any breed. They have to get along. I have had plotts & curs for that long too. People are amazed when they come hunt with me & see me crate to big male pits together. They know there job is catching hogs & that is it. I have had way more trouble with cur male cur dogs crating them together. They like there space & that is all there is to it.
As far as catchdogs, I have see Catahoulas, Blackmouths, Airdales, Plotts, Pits, Americanbulldogs & crosses, all used with success. Out of my experience & JMO, nothing can beat a pit. Sure, you will find some good ones in other breeds but day in, & day out that pit will die on that hogs ear, where I have seen some of the other breeds turn loose after being cut.
Been so long since I was on this site, did not realize I had already posted on this subject. Sorry. They say memory is the first to go.lol

[gkckak]

When I went to texas one year to hog hunt with an old bud he had 3 american foxhounds and 1 labrador to hunt hog. It was a sight to see to encounter the hog with the lab all over it. A mastiff would be horrible in my opinion because they are too big and not quick enough to manevuer if a hog goes after it.

[banya]

ive spent alot of time over in austrailia and hunted pigs there alot and the best dogs ive seen and owned were bullaribs they are an austrailian bread dog originaly used to catch wild cattle(clean skins) they have it all from strike to catch and can handle a big boar by them selves ive never hunted pigs hear because we just dont gave them up hear in canada i have a friend that brought a bullarib back with him and would probably be intrested breeding if someone was interested i dont no how this dog hunts but i know he is out of a good line that a close friend of mine owns over there

just thought it might be somthing woth looking into for you guys
thanks
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[three rivers catahoulas]

To say there are four fightin hounds to every one pit, I would have to say thats crap, I run 11 Plotts, they might get alittle crowly after a hard day (just in the box). And I run 90% male dogs, I hardly ever have a fight. I have alot of friends that run pits for catch dogs for the sheer fact that they are cheep and a dime a dozen, and thats the only reason, and in my experiance, I have seen more pits jump on other dogs after a kill and before the kill then any other breed, now I'm not sayin Plotts,Curs or any other breed dosent do it, but pits do it more then most. And I have hunted Tx,Ok,AR and LA and curs and plotts can catch just about any hog out there.