Running Catch Dogs

[Bucunter1983]

Ive noticed alot of people starting to go to and breed running catch dogs. Ive been on a dozen hunts or so with these types of dogs and everytime it turned out bad for our strike dogs getting cut or even killed. The dogs that I hunt are going to catch if another dog grab's ahold of a hog everytime which is ok if Im right there to leg the hog but can be a disaster if you are not near. I know where I stand on the subject which is not for me, Id rather get outrun every weekend then get my baydogs killed. Whats your opinion on RCD's?

[coadycurbow]

I think you either need to use running catch dogs or bay dogs with lead in catch dogs, but not bay dogs with running catch dogs. It usually turns out bad for the bay dogs because they are not lock down catch dogs like the RCD's are. Get on youtube and search hog wrangler. He has some running catch dogs that are double tough and fast. A good strike dog is just to valuable to me to run with a catch dog, or even another super rough bay dog. Usually, when one catches the others catch, and if you are not close, you got a problem.

[haynhogdogger]

I feel it all depends on where you hunt and how the hogs behave to different dogs. Where I live and hunt hogs wont bay they will run almost every single time. We need rough dogs to stop them and we use running catch dogs or most times the main dogs will get hurt or killed. The type of terrain and topography can be a factor as well.

[dogemdownsouth]

a running catchdog is a dead dog walkin. weather it is heat, bloodloss, or guts ripped out, he will end up dead one way or another if you hunt regularly. i go to the woods to bay hogs, and yes you will catch more hogs with catchdogs but all you will do with a big bad one is piss him off and get a few dogs killed the majority of the time. it makes no sense what so ever to opperate with running catch dogs. most of the people i see doing it around these parts are green horns that just havent quite learned yet.

[stevemac]

here in Australia 20 yrs ago there were an estiminated 24million feral hogs and fines in my state of $55000.00 per hog for transporting or keeping live feral hogs apart from ever being allowed back on a property if found out you let one go and not killed every one you got your hands on. Has lead us to developing running catch dogs as you call them we just call them finder/ luggers. The main criteria for this is fast, strong with plenty of endurance for the holding and a warm nose as a cold nose dog goes to far and puts its self in to much danger if you cant get there quick enough. This doesnt mean all our hogs are caught by sight to the contry in the mountian forrest one you see is often one that gives you the slip. the dogs are expected to wind scent from the ute or strike trail from the ground. these to methods have poved the most effective. It is also a mistake to run to many dogs at a time as this get dogs hurt or killed and 2 mature dogs are enough to handle any hog. over the years along with developing our dogs Australians have put a lot of time into developing collars and breast plates to protect our dogs and use various materials to keep them light and stong against the tusks. these are my hunting methods and they must have some merriot as I have not lost a dog on a hunt for many years.
I did not right this to preach as Im not like that but just to discribe how we do it an why we use the finder/lugging dogs we use.
good luck with your dogs
Steve

[Bucunter1983]

I can see where a RCD can be used but I agree with dogemdownsouth on this subject. A RCD is an expendable dog IMO, they are the ones you expect to be hurt or killed. But my strike dogs are too valuable to me to pair them with a RCD because my strike dogs will get as gritty or catchy as the dog next to them so we run dogs that will stay back and bay but they will also grab some tail to stop a runner most of the time. Lord knows that we have some hogs around here that need to meet a pack of RCD's but Ill let those hogs die of old age before I run my dogs with some RCD's.

[Dan Edwards]

A buddy of mine runs catch dogs with his bay dogs but his bay dogs are on the rough side also so he dont have many problems at all. I aint sayin it's the right way, just sayin he does alright and dont seem to lose many dogs at all. I think he may have lost one in the last few years, well a couple but one was a gator so that dont count.

[doghunter]

I agree that a running catch dog should not be ran with your bay dogs unless your bay dogs wont put any teeth on the hog. Or if you are running hounds or bay dogs that will not get rough then a catch dog can put an end to alot of races. (but you have to know that the catch dog is going to get alot of bumps and brusis).

If you have a good bay dog that can stop a hog by himself by adding a catch dog you are only going to make him take chances he would not have by himself. This also applies to using to many dogs at one time. I have seen many good bay dogs ruined by someone truning out 5 or 6 dogs and they keep trying the hog until they end up hurt.

I have a hound and a bay dog you could turn out 6 catchdogs at the same time and they would not get cut, they will not get close for no reason. (but they have great noses and love a hog. When it is hard to find a hog i can set them out and get a race started). But i also have 3 bay dogs I hunt only by themself. I cant even hunt 2 of those bay dogs together because they get to rough.

in the end the hunter has to be smarter than the dog and understand difference between what puts the pork on the tailgate and what puts the dog out of use.

I have both kinds of catch dogs and the running catch dogs do run a great chance of getting recked.

[haynhogdogger]

I agree that if a hog will bay then bay dogs are the way to go people who hunt bay dogs where im from hardly catch a thing and in the mountains,valleys and jungles we hunt here on my island stopping hogs aint as easy as it seems. Hogs here are hunted hard almost daily and they wont stop unless they are made to stop. Im not a fan of running through the jungle chasing pigs im there to catch them and thats where our RCD's come in. As I mentioned before it all comes down to where you hunt and how the hogs react to the dogs you hunt.

Theres places in the islands where bay dogs still work and ive hunted that way many times but where I hunt it just doesnt happen very often. I do love the sound of the dogs bayed solid

[dogemdownsouth]

id rather take a few hounds to the woods and run one hog all day until he finally wears down and bays, than catch ten, and go home a few dogs short, and sew cuts for 2 hours. just doesnt seem to ethical to spend dogs like that. in twelve years ive lost 4 dogs, 2 to cuts, 1 to heat, and one to drowning, all but one were RUN IN catch dogs. the hogs i hunt run as hard as any and you are more than welcome to look at my web site at just a portion of the hogs ive caught in the last 2 years, and i promise you there are a few that would have finished your RCDs.

[haynhogdogger]

Dogem-

Thats the problem I dont think youre very familiar with the places we hunt here in Hawaii because if you were id think youd retract your statement (If you wanted to catch any hogs that is). Ive been taught never to judge until youve walked in thier shoes. And until you hunt here in my terrain and jungle then I dont think you can imagine hunting in what we hunt in. Like I stated there are some areas in the state that we hunt bay dogs and in other areas more rough/gritty type dogs.

In the end I feel use what works for you, if bay dogs are your thing then by all means use em heck I would too and still do on occasion depending on where im hunting. But pure bay dogs dont work for most of the areas I hunt on my island. Also a big factor is that some places we hunt are DOG and KNIFE ONLY!!! kinda hard sticking a hog without the catch dogs. Also the terrain and bush dont lend itself well to walking the catch dogs in.

You are more than welcome to come along and hunt with us if youre ever in Hawaii and see what you think for yourself. Over the last 30 or so years of doggin hogs ive lost a few dogs myself but where im from thats just a sad part of the game.

Take it easy and Happy Huntin.....Aloha!

[nosightsneeded]

I really think most of you mis-understand what a running catch dog is. First they should be built for Hardness, SIze, speed and stamina. A Real Running catch dog doesnt have a mentality of a Bull dog. That will run in and hammer no matter what the cost. They will pick there time to catch. They will catch and hold cleanly. They wont thrash and try to get the pig to fight back. Every hog dog has a chance to be cut down every time out so dont give me the They have a death sentence routine. I dont know about yall but around our places if you get on a hog and it gets away because it wont take a bay or just runs and you dont stop that pig. More times than not that land owner wont ask you to come back out. I DONT LIKE RUN HOG DOGS FOR THE CHASE I RUN FOR THE CATCH.

CAUGHT WITH A RCD AND A PIT JUST TWO WEEKS AGO LESS THAN 100 YARDS FROM WHERE IT WAS JUMPED. PIT WAS THE ONE THAT GOT CUT BECAUSE OF NOT HOLDING CLEAN. READ THE STORY HERE

http://lonestarhogdoggers.com/lshd_smf/ ... opic=600.0

[nosightsneeded]

Yall are missing the point of the RCD. Let me ask a couple of you guys this.

When a does a hog do most of his damage?

When he is in his DEFENSIVE MODE. and in a place where his rear is protected. A place where HE CHOOSES and He feels most comfortable to fight. A Big Boar Hog doesnt JUst so happen to take to a bay at a certain place. He will run until he gets to his DEFENSIVE POSTITION. Then here you come in leading in a bulldog and letting him go face to face with the pig.

When in acuality they could have been stopped By a RCD before they could get there. This makes the Boar less likely to cover his rear back up and fight. Basically makes the boar stop on your terms.
EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN WAY OF DOING THINGS. WE ALL GET TO FROM POINT A TO POINT B JUST IN DIFFERENT WAYS. I JUST DONT LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE BASHING OTHER WAYS OF HUNTING WHEN THEY HAVENT GIVIN IT A FAIR CHANCE. GOING OUT WITH YOUR BUDDIES TRASHY CATAHOULAS DOESNT MAKE MAKE ALL CATAHOULAS TRASHY. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT EVERYONE THAT CLAIMS TO HAVE A RCD ARE THE SAME. SORRY BUT IF ALL YOUR FRIENDS RCD DID IS GOT CUT UP WELL THEY ARENT VERY GOOD ONES AND SHOULD BE PUT BACK ON THTE LEAD.

THIS IS MY WELL STARTED RCD THAT HAS A VERY BRIGHT FUTURE. SHE HELPED CATCH THE PIG ABOVE. SHE COMES FROM GOOD STOCK AND IS BREED TO BE A RCD. IT WASNT AN ACCIDENT. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DOG BREEDING IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT GO INTO THE POT.

[doghunter]

nosightsneeded what kind of dog is the dog in the pic and where can i find one like her.

[haynhogdogger]

NSN- Beautiful dog reminds me of many solid RCD's weve had through the years. Does it have Airedale in its breeding? Looks like some of our Airedale crosses albeit different color.

Good Doggin' to ya!

Aloha!