Trash breaking Help

[Mississippi Hogger]

Anyone of you guys had alot of trouble with trashing and i know i have in the past . Could I get some pointers on trashbreaking . Me and a buddy turned out Sat. evening and the dogs left on a hog , we followed out to 700 yards and they had bayed twice and broke ( per the garmin ) . Well they stopped on the track and and were slowly making their way back to us and were with in 75 yards . Well two young catahoulas i been workn ran towards them and I heard them all open up . Didnt take long to be almost ran over by a doe and 15 yards back a yearling . The doe had my red male cat behind it and the yearling had my buddies old bluetick/pitt cross and not far was my walker hound . We got the dogs off and I wore out my two male dogs . I dont want any trashing , but we have so many deer . Any advice would be great . I have used breaking scents in the past . But was wondering about some home remedies . I really dont understand my hound because we sent and worked them thru hot deer sign earliar in the week . May be the fact the deer jumped up in front of them . ????

[stevemac]

Well Id be aquirring some E collares and walking those dogs into as many deer as possible then when they wanted to take of chassing them I would fry there heads off doesnt take long for the average hunting dog to work out that deer are of limits. its a little harder when the dogs are out of sight thats why I would be walking them in. Ive used the same method to break dogs of roos and sheep.

[FullCryHounds]

There is only one method that I have used/perfected that is 100% for breaking dogs off deer. I used to use E-collars and scents and none of that ever worked all the time. Those methods are marginal at best, and yet books have been written about how this is the only method to use.
10 years ago, I started keeping my dogs with deer and after a short time, they didn't even look at a deer. I can run my dogs through a herd of elk or have deer jump up right next to them and they don't even look at them.
Find out what you need to do in your state to keep deer, maybe even try using an exotic type of deer like Fallow deer. Keep them with your dogs and you will never have a trash race again. I have not had a single trash race in ten years since I started conditioning my dogs to deer.
Currently I have a buddy that has a game farm permit and keeps deer and elk so it is easy for me to condition my dogs to these animals. I've had wild elk jump into my one acre dog run with my dogs and the dogs didn't bother to walk over to them. Last year, I was walking up to my dogs and had five elk jump up within ten yards of me and scared the heck out of me. The elk were bedded less then 5 yards from my dogs.
This technique works 100%. If your serious about trash breaking, give it a try.

[halfbreed]

yeah we used to do the same thing with the beagles and coon hounds . but we just kept goats in the dog pen or around the dogs all the time . never had a deer race . most times when these curs git after deer it;s a site thing never had em trail one . and they was just a hundred yard dash till they quit .

[tlewis_2003]

I had my dog bee line last night for probably a mile or better. I would think deer. I have turned this dog out rihgt on a deer just to see if she would chase it. She ran right where it was standing and never paid it any attention. I can't get her to open on a coon. Last night she was all open on that track. You guys think it was a deer? Or maybe some other kind of trash? Maybe a yote? I don't know am at a lose.

[dogemdownsouth]

Every year at the end of deer season i go kill a deer and leash each dog to it one at a time with a training collar. I go back in the house and hammer down. the dog doesnt associate you with the incident and is glad to see you return. It works very well.

[imthbdmn]

[mountaincurs]

ill take mine out every now and again to a spot with no hogs and tons of deer. if it runs anything lite them up. but thing you can do for those young dogs is keep them in the pigs as much as possible.

[coolerman]

Ive used the E collars and they work on a dog thats not smart enough to kn ow when he does and when he doesnt have it on and when its charged . I have a dog that is a jam up hog dog but would trash ebery so often , I would put him on a deer and shock him and he would be good for a while and do it again . I went to a big ranch to remove some hogs and was counting on this dog to show out as he usually did ....he did but wasnt on a hog ,he ran 4 of the prettiest deer races you ever wanted to see .We did catch several hogs with him but I was furious ,running off game is a sin at my house and had the dog not been good as he was I would have sold him . I took him to shock him of deer and he wouldnt touch one ( cause he had the collar on ) took him the next night without the collar and off to the races he went . I come with the idea to take a deer dog and get a race started and pack him to it and soon as he got in it I fried him . I did work for a while but it started again ....I was at my ropes end with it . I happen to talk to the breeder I got him from and told him and he just laughed and said "oh you got one of them kind " i knew then he had seen this before ....the solution was to take the dog and stuff him in a 55 gallon drum with a fresh deer hide put the lid on it ( be sure it has a few holes in it) and roll it down a hill a few times . It sounds off the wall but it works .I hate it when a dog runs off game . I also have used a shock box that works well also , a metal cage with a site barrier all around it ecxept 1 side . You rig up a pulley in front of it and change the diffrent hides out i.e hog , deer pull the desired game in front of them and let them smell it and then pull it out of the way then pull the off game hide in front of them and hit the switch when they smell it . A day or 2 of that and it cures most problems . Just be sure the dog cant see you when you are operating it