here is my take on the grey fox compared to the bobcat . to catch the bob u need a dog that can trail up a track fast enough to get the cat jumped . once jumped u need a dog that can carry the track fast enough to tree it . then u need the dog to be able to locate and tree . sounds pretty simple . getting a dog to catch over 70 % of the cats u put it on and do all thoughs things is hard to come by . i never even mentioned riging and being broke. as far as fox my experince is limited but from the ones i have ran if u run them in there back yard they will run tight makeing lots of circles and are difficult to tree . get them out of there home and they seem to line out more and tree fairly easy if u have a dog that can keep the preasure on him. the ones i have treed dont go very high maybe 12 to 15 feet so locating them is not as hard . over all i believe the fox stinks more making it easier to run . i think if u have a dog that can catch one of the speicies on a regular basis than they can catch the other as well.jmo if there were more fox around i would run them more but for the most part they are in the farmers ground and seem to like heading for there barns houses ect.
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Re: fox hunting
I have limited bobcat experiance, because I'm not a big fan of "snow hunting" and my dogs are pretty set in what they run so my chance of starting one that I don't see crossing the road is pretty slim, we also have about 5 fox to every 1 cat. I mostly run them on fox and bear in the summer and fall, and coon hunt in the winter and spring.
Cats seem to leave a lot less scent, and takes a precise trailing and locating dog. But once they get jumped, then don't tend to run too hard for too long. Fox run hard, like a coyote, and if a dog isn't on one pressuring it to tree, they'll just mess with the dogs and do whatever they want, so you need a dog with a good nose, that can flat run head up drifting, pick up there losses and PUSH them out of the thickets. You get a few that are bad about "tree jumping" just like a cat, so being a good locator is important as well. I've treed easy ones, and I've had them run circles around my dogs worse than a running bear. Just depends on the fox. In the areas I hunt they get run 365 days a year, so most of them are pretty damn dog smart.
Cats seem to leave a lot less scent, and takes a precise trailing and locating dog. But once they get jumped, then don't tend to run too hard for too long. Fox run hard, like a coyote, and if a dog isn't on one pressuring it to tree, they'll just mess with the dogs and do whatever they want, so you need a dog with a good nose, that can flat run head up drifting, pick up there losses and PUSH them out of the thickets. You get a few that are bad about "tree jumping" just like a cat, so being a good locator is important as well. I've treed easy ones, and I've had them run circles around my dogs worse than a running bear. Just depends on the fox. In the areas I hunt they get run 365 days a year, so most of them are pretty damn dog smart.
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LOVE A GOOD FOX CHASE
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Has what I thought was a bob race right out my backdoor was great to listen and watch on the garmin it was a circle race and It went a little down and started to circle again . I could have swore by the garmin that it was a bob but I saw the red fox running 50 to 75 yds ahead of the hounds did not shock because I liked the way they were running it on a drift. Hope I made right choice.
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i have two curs, a stephens and a kemmer stock and two plotts from bear hunting stock. i guess they aren't putting enough pressure on the fox because the fox is usually a good ways ahead of the dogs. i ran one last night. i saw that it was going to cross a dirt road and stopped short of with my head light on hi beam. i knew it was about to cross and i watch intently. i must have blinked and missed it though. my old feist was standing on the road beside the truck. she saw it and took off after it and ran into the bush on the far side of the road. a little while later the pack crossed the road and went into the same spot. they ran out of hearing. i found them behind me a couple of miles, less than 100 yrds from a highway. they must have crossed a possum track cause they were treeing one.
one of the dogs was missing its tracking collar. i tracked the collar to a hole. maybe it was fox hole. now that i think about it, maybe they ran it to ground and then found a possum on the way to the road. regradless, i had a lot of fun and the dogs were worn out.
one of the dogs was missing its tracking collar. i tracked the collar to a hole. maybe it was fox hole. now that i think about it, maybe they ran it to ground and then found a possum on the way to the road. regradless, i had a lot of fun and the dogs were worn out.
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"i have two curs, a stephens and a kemmer stock and two plotts from bear hunting stock. i guess they aren't putting enough pressure on the fox because the fox is usually a good ways ahead of the dogs."
Pardner, if your Hounds put Ole Reynard in a Hole...you were darn sure putting pressure on him!
Pardner, if your Hounds put Ole Reynard in a Hole...you were darn sure putting pressure on him!
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i hadn't looked at it that way. i know they were gone out of hearing pretty quickly. what's the deal with "Ole Reynard".? i've never heard that.
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Re: fox hunting
guy's i live in maryland and have only ran about 3 cats here. all three ran long straight lines throughout the hollows to a tree.most of the time they came out of the tree when i put a brite lite in the tree because i was hunting coon.they would stay after day light and 5 plus hours of running and jumpimg out. but the fox here are like fleas. we always had gray fox that ran different size and shape of circles and tree.our red fox that are thick,because we had the ones that where here when the first white man came.then in the late 60's and early 70's red fox from england/ireland was inported and release. this was because the fox hunters that would ride horse and run 40 to 60 hounds at once was catching alot of fox we had here. the inported fox would and do now run for hours cutting back in forth through hollowers and cross creeks,fields and ridges.fox are the only big game we can chase and kill in maryland. but this does keep the dogs in good shape if you go out of state for cats or bear.you can run fox here day or nite all year with some protection.
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if your dog leaves the country im sure all your doing is running cyotes, deer, ect...
Re: fox hunting
Proud to say my seven month old bown and tan/ blue pups caught a fox right around seven months. posted here to re open this thread because I like to hear about fox since I don't know anyone who runs them.
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