Dangerous?

[onalimb]

I'm just calling it like I saw it. I hope I live long enough to see the dog that could kill grown baders on their own. I'm a Plott guy, and like to think I own some gritty dogs, but I don't own any of that caliber. Maybe we had a run in with Arnold Swartzenbadger. Have you turned on a big boar badger Larry? It sure changed my opinion of the little bastards.

[nmplott]

you forgot to add pissed off wife on pms to your choices

[briarpatch]

I have seen hundreds of coons killed by dogs and a few badgers. I have seen lots of bears in trees and a handful bayed on the ground. Badgers are much tougher than coons, but I believe that a 60-80 lb. bear that WOULD fight would be tougher than either coon or badger. Of course, if you put 500 lbs. of dogs that WILL FIGHT on a 60-80 lb. bear it should be no contest (but it probably would).

briarpatch

[TomJr]

I don't know much about badger as we don't have them here. Coon only in the low lands so I don't hunt those either but I would say that cautimindi are simular to coon in how they fight. My dogs have been hurt worse by couatimundi than any bears that they fought on the ground, ofcorse the bears didn't die and the couatimundi did.

Now bears I know about and atleast in this area they are not that tough or my dogs are smart and fast enough to dodge those mean bears. I had to rescue a small bear from one of my dogs last year... and got bit by the bear in the process. I think that bear would have been dead in a few more minutes as Buddy had it by the back of the neck and was realy chomping down. But this was smaller than 60-80 lbs, maybe 50lbs but it was on its own no mother about. When I got Buddy off bear went up a tree and was not using one leg.

I had another dog that mixed it up real good with several bears when he was in his prime. 120lb dog when fit and trim. Buck was the only one of my dogs that accualy got hurt by a bear too, so far(knock on wood). He caught a big 200lb bear on the ground and that bear took a bite out of his shoulder before it went up the tree. I missed the fight because I arrived a few minutes too late, but there was two hikers that saw the whole thing and they said they thought my dog was dead. Buck had just a quartersized piece of skin and flesh taken out of his shoulder and claw marks all over his back and sides, the skin was not broken just clawed. And the bear had a 2 inch by 3 inch flap of skin hanging down on its side.

Another time I heard Buck barking in the middle of the night and got out there in time to see trash cans flying all over the place. I thought Buck had a couatimundi and was killing it. When all of a sudden a trash can goes flying towards me and a bear comes rushing out with Buck biting its rump. I waved my flashlight and shouted and bear turned 90degrees and hit the gate so hard it broken the hasp and bent the hinges. Buck treed that bear a few hunderd yards outside the gate. It was around 100lbs sure looked alot bigger coming at me haha... Buck even killed a bear once too... but he cheated. He ran a 150lb bear up a power pole and the bear got electocuted.

Buck was not a hound and didn't have any hound in him as far as I know but he did tree mountaion lion, bears and bobcats real well. He was pure black and I think predominatly lab but in head and body shape he looked alot like those dogo, very athletic. When chasing Javalina out of our orchard he would bound over them like I have seen coyotes chase rats. I miss that old mut...his hip went out at 12years old while running a bear up a steep hill. I poped it back in and he finished that chase with my other dogs but it was his last and a few months later both hips went and he had to be put down.

Ops that got abit long... fun to remember my old dog though. I can't vote on this as I don't have much experiance with two of the critters.

[adrich]

I would say pound for pound badger.One day I saw one working its way across our alfalfa field which they loved to tear up looking for gophers.I grabbed my 22 and took off after it on foot.Now a badger can dig a hole to get away as fast as a bear can climb a tree.But this Badger was having no part of that.I was halfway out into the field by now fired two shots and that sucker turned looked at me and ran me back to the truck.I think they have the mentallity of a grizzly.I would hate to see one of them 80lbs.

[Rockcreek]

I've seen a few badgers stretched by dogs... IMO they really aren't that tough out in the open. If you get on one in the den, all bets are off. In my personal experience a big 30+lb coon is tougher on dogs. I voted for the bear because they are very capable, much more so then the biggest coon or badger, IMO!

[Smiley]

All I can say is the badger was tougher on me than the coon by far and that badger was probably only 20-25 # .

[Buddyw]

All I can say is the badger was tougher on me than the coon by far and that badger was probably only 20-25 # .

Now.. Is that because the Badger was really that Tough or was it because your a Wimp?

You get the Crazy title as far as I'm conserned for even trying..

[Smiley]

Kinda like what most think a beardog is I was pretty tough for the first 2 seconds but he was putting holes in me fast and he had one hell of a grip on my side . alls I wanted was out of there.

[larry]

Kinda lookin like some coon hunters ego's are getting a little hurt here, as for dogs killing badgers, outfitter that I guided for had an airdale that would break thier necks from behind, try that with a bear. Why on earth would I turn my dogs loose on a badger? never said they were pussy's, just not a bear. Throw a badger, a coon and a bear in the ring together, my money is on the bear, even if its the two against one, and hopefully some of you all are there to bet too so I can laugh all the way to the bank

[cecil j.]

I have never seen/caught a badger...

I have seen coons bay up and kick ass for a long time before dogs can get them "handled"

I have seen dogs killed by 80lbs bears... Course, most of those were bayed up in something.. culverts, logs, caves etc...

Seen 3 hounds in the last year killed by juvenile lions too.. heard of about 6 more... those last 6 though were just talked about through the grapevine...

I'm not going to vote...

Ladycathunter ya added a cridder that if is 90 lbsor larger/ no one dog, no 2 dogs can kill and even three dogs I dont supose could get er done neither ! Not coon hound breeds of hounds anyways. A mtn lion like I pm`ed Larry is unspeakabley a pure killing machine and though he will seak refuage from 1 dog too 19 hounds on him he will be caussiouse of man and of hounds andtree up/ less hes a big toad walken tom .
Any hounds who corner one and don`t just circle and snarrll and pop their jaws and think at most too snagg ones end of his tail/ is about too make a mistake that will cost him his life !A hound can not hamstring,elbow bite,face bite, or anything else too the body,neck and head of a lion and live ! If some one has a dog that has and that cat wasent hurt and was just cornnered and his dog went in and killed it/not made it slip off a cliff nor get run over by Larrys truck/ I`d sure be learning something I never never hurd of befor and I`d have too change my held opennion !

[onalimb]

The simplest things turn into the funniest. Badgers are beneath some dogs and their owners, lions got thrown into the mix, a pit fight is going to be set up for us to bet on, and the scariest thing in the world is a 80 pound bear.

I still haven't figured out how the Airdale got behind all those badgers without them knowing it, unless something, or someone was distracting them, and then it wouldn't have been done by just one dog.

I'm paying attention and trying to learn all I can, so please don't stop now!

[cecil j.]

The simplest things turn into the funniest. Badgers are beneath some dogs and their owners, lions got thrown into the mix, a pit fight is going to be set up for us to bet on, and the scariest thing in the world is a 80 pound bear.

I still haven't figured out how the Airdale got behind all those badgers without them knowing it, unless something, or someone was distracting them, and then it wouldn't have been done by just one dog.

I'm paying attention and trying to learn all I can, so please don't stop now!

Yea, I think I was pretty much surprized at alot of the answers I read being layed out on the table on all this ! You could find a reason for any one of the bunch of em too be the vote getter if the perticular situation fell at your own door step too be a real emediate problem of conscern !

[SECOND NATURE]

this is a tough one but i would have to go with a 80lb bear as the most dangerous cause that is what your asking i dont know much about badgers we do not have them here i am sure they are a force to be reckon with now if the question was which one had the worst attitude and would show the most aggression i would vote for a raccoon i think that if we are talking about the same size animal like all 30lbs the coon would take my vote as being more dangerous and tougher but if a badger or a coon would get as big as a 80lb bear then they would stave the heck out of some dogs for sure just cause they seem a lot more aggressive than a 80lb bear but any one knows that has hunted bear they can do some damage PDQ when caught just my opinion

[Nolte]

In my personal experience a big 30+lb coon is tougher on dogs. I voted for the bear because they are very capable, much more so then the biggest coon or badger, IMO!

Mason , Did you fill up the Bong with Basin Water again or what? Or maybe had a helluva bender again with Kev.

Most coon want to get away, most little bear want to get away, EVERY Badger I've caught wants to rip your leg off.

I dunno we've got a saying around here about dogs that don't stick on a caught bear. "It's just a coon dog".