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[slowandeasy]

Not exactly how the topic started off. But I'll do anything in my power to point out more failures from our commander and clown. I guess I am wrong for taking anything for granted. I just automatically felt anybody with a brain after 9/11 was certainly taking extra precaution on our own soil. And I guess you could have knocked me over with a feather when I found out embassies in extremely volatile countries were not getting the protection from our own government that they needed. Had they have had the protection that they needed the circus like administration would not be scurrying around trying to find out who was responsible, so that they can put them before the criminal justice system. Wouldn't it have been nice to just be able to go up to a top-notch American soldier. And ask what took place and who did this. He would've been able to say proudly just go out there in the courtyard and gather them up in body bags. Probably would have saved the taxpayers a lot of money. But I guess we'll just have to continue with this foreign-policy Wizard until November.

And it does my heart good. To poke this on the asses of our commander and clown's supporters like a hot branding iron. PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH WILL SLEEP WELL TONIGHT KNOWING THAT HE KEPT AMERICA SAFE FOR THE REMAINDER OF HIS PRESIDENCY. What has your guy done for us?????

Have a good night, Willy

[grouse]

Well said Willy .

[Grzyadms4x4]

Ok Grouse, I do understand, but just how do you plan on differentiating the radical islamist from the regular Islamist? Should we just send a drone over there and blow em to smitherenes? I'm sure you understand how many Jihadist we create with our drones due to the deaths of many, many innocent people in the middle east.

Since we all know jack squat about what really happened we are all going on conjecture. Did the ambassador ever ask for more security? I'm sure he would have got it. From the pictures I've seen he looked to be very well liked. Maybe he felt he was safe. Maybe we had enough CIA special forces in place at the time that they could have protected him in a firefight, but guns don't work well against rockets or rpgs or whatever blew him up. Did you see the pictures of the radical islamist dragging him down the street to the hospital? It's out there. Sure blame Obama it must me his fault.

Obama sucks real bad, but he hasn't stripped away as many of your rights as Bush did, he has just renewed the laws, but it as your guys boy Bush that started us down the road to less freedom for supposed safety and don't forget about the Israeli loving, progressive republicans and democrats in the house and senate, which is the majority of them, that propose and vote for this horseshit.

Georgy will sleep just fine tonight because he's permanently drunk and stoned not because "he kept us safe during the last part of his presidency". If you want to give anyone credit, give it to that chicken hawk, fat bastard, cheney. He was the puppet master. Though Rumsfeld and general Wesley Clark get the credit for the plan to overthrow the governments of 7 countries in 5 years. The 'policy coup' meant that seven countries were to be invaded and blessed with regime change by the United States. The countries were (are): Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and the big prize they're still after, Iran.

Shouldn't this latest fiasco show us that we should maybe rethink our foreign policy or should we go along with Israel and start trouble with Iran until Russia and China join in and start world war 3 as they have said so in just those words?

[slowandeasy]

Hope all is well in the big Woods!!

Take care, Willy

[grouse]

I'm all for the protection of Israel . Oh by the way Russia and china and Iran do try to take Israel out , I read that somewhere , oh yeah it's called the book of revelation . You said you like to read so read that sometime .

[Grzyadms4x4]

Please show me specifically there is a mention of Russia and China in the book of revelations and I'll vote for Romney! Nobodys gonna mess with Israel. The islamic faith holds that area to be just as sacred as the Jewish faith. Nobodys gonna nuke Israel. Look at a map All of Iran and it's friends would be dead from radioactive fallout. These are not big countries we are talking about here. Iran is only a fifth of what we are and Israel isn't much bigger than a county in a western US state.

Speaking of the Bible shouldn't we be following the golden rule? Both at home and abroad? Becaue we sure haven't for a looong time.

Now Back to Romney. How is voting for someone who maintains nearly the same stances on issues as Obama going to fix our debt, unemployment and loss of liberty. Since it is the house and senate that make the laws, and all are bought and paid for by the likes of GOldman sachs, Morgan Chase, etc. and those are some of the largest donors to Mitt Romney now and they were the biggest donors to Obama in '08. Just how is anything going to get dome to help us huh? here's Romney's top contributors as of August 21, 2012.

Goldman Sachs $676,080
JPMorgan Chase & Co $520,299
Morgan Stanley $513,647
Bank of America $510,728
Credit Suisse Group $427,560
Citigroup Inc $363,015
Barclays $349,400
Wells Fargo $320,025
Kirkland & Ellis $309,042
Deloitte LLP $286,110
PricewaterhouseCoopers $266,650
UBS AG $259,200
HIG Capital $220,495
Blackstone Group $219,525
Bain Capital $172,500
Elliott Management $172,475
General Electric $158,800
Ernst & Young $156,425
Marriott International $154,837
Bain & Co $145,800

You mean to tell me when these guys come knocking on the door for a favor they aren't gonna get one? How is voting for a person who changes his positions more often than a nun who's a hooker is going to fix anything, How is maintaining the status quo going to fix anything? How is voting for more "security" while increasing our national debt going to help national security now or when our kids have kids?

Einstein supposedly said that, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

That applies to foreign policy too!

[Grzyadms4x4]

Why not at least check out a guy like Gary Johnson. He's no Ron Paul, but since the Republican Party said to hell with winning this year by doing all they could to fck his supporters who are republicans and will not vote for Romney, you might as well take a look.

Remember Republican used to be pro liberty. As in libertarian. If you were afraid of Ron Pauls foreign policy look at Gary Johnson he's a bit different. IF the economy is your concern you might want to take a look maybe social issues are your thing. He can't be any worse than Romeny or Obama.

Or vote the same old way, vote your party because at least he ain't the other guy or he's NRA approved, whatever.

[grouse]

I'm not going to get in a biblical discussion but I assure you what I said is true . You may be right about Gary Johnson he may be the best out of the 2 , but if I voted for him he would probably only have 2 votes , yours and mine . So in reality you would be throwing your vote away .

[ferjr]

F-ck Israel!!!!! They have caused more sh-t than any country on the globe! They are the sh-t stirrers of the world. The whole word has hated them since biblical times.

[grouse]

Yeah frigger you just showed your intelligence with that statement .

[ferjr]

[Grzyadms4x4]

Voting your conscience or voting on principles is never throwing away a vote. Don't let anyone ever tell you that.

Gary Johnson may well be the spoiler as there are a lot of democratic and republican leaning independents that will vote for him and a few million Ron Paul supporters that will likely vote for him as well. So we would have some company.

He isn't the best, but at least he's pretty honest and wants to protect your freedom from being indefinitely detained, without representation or charges in an unknown facility similar to what they just did to Brandon Raub the 3 tour Iraq or Afghanistan vet who was detained without all of the above until the matter was brought before a judge by his family who ordered an Immediate release from the facility he was in.

The loss of liberty is much more dangerous than the unemployment. And since the government cannot create jobs we should vote for the person that will lower federal income taxes which will allow those with a job to keep more of their money which spurs innovation, business creation and subsequently creates jobs.

Here's a link to a recent interview from ordinary people asking Gary Johnson questions.

http://www.vokle.com/events/74213-gary- ... olutionary

But we must remember that we do not live in a dictatorship and the president is supposed to have very limited powers. Like no executive orders or adding things to bills he is getting ready to sign.

We must remember that it is congress that needs to be changed more so than the executive. We must vote nearly every damn one of 'em out and vote in ones that actually have our nation, our constitution in our best interest in mind and write bills that reflect the constraints placed upon the federal government by the constitution.

People need to realize that freedom may be scary at times. You may not like that your neighbour had an abortion or is gay or loves Israel or has a dilapidated car. We have to remind ourselves that this is what freedom is all about. Freedom from government coercion or central planning. Allowing us to live our lives as we see fit.

A great, short book, that I recommend is Fredrick Bestiat's "The Law" it was written some time ago, but you can pick up a copy off of Amazon or Abe books for a few dollars, but it really sums up what liberty, law and justice really mean and how they should be applied to a free society. Take a look, it's a good read.

[grouse]

Frigger It's hard to see yours with that swastika tattoo in the middle of your forehead .

[slowandeasy]

[grouse]

Good point Willy .