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ingredience,protein..chicken-v-chicken by products meal

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:56 pm
by southwestwalkers
Just wondering the thinking on these diets:

Brand A: Chicken by-product meal, whole grain ground corn, wheat flour, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), beet pulp, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, salmon oil (source of DHA), fish meal, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid

This manufacture lists not less than 31% protein per serving

-v- this:

Brand B: Chicken, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Corn Grits, Brewers Rice, Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Fish Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Chicken Meal, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), DL-Methionine, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Rosemary Extract

This manufacture lists not less than 26% protein per serving

I actually use brand A listed with the 31% protein but Im considering switching because of the source of the protein means more than the quanity per serving. Just seeing what everyone else thinks about the first ingredients chicken -v- chicken by products

thanks all, Robb

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:16 pm
by easttenngator
I like the meat better ......and isnt 31 % protein jus a little high.

I use 26 durning the fall and winter ans 21 durning the spring and summer,more corn produces more body heat.

JMO
Gator

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:30 pm
by Black&TanMan1
You might want to watch out feeding that high of protein, it has been known to cause renial failer. other wize known as a dead dog disease. Not always though, i myself feed higher fat and lower protein. Like 24-20 or 26-18

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:51 pm
by POORBOY
Sold a little dog food.
Hoof, Hair, Horn, Feathers.
They all raise the protein level.
None are digestable by a dog.

What is in the by product meal?

Jerry

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:44 am
by Trueblue
I think I like brand A.They both have chicken-by-product as the #1 ingredient.I know that B says chicken as #1 but the ingredients are listed by weight.Once the moisture is removed from that chicken during process it will become more like the fourth or fifth ingredient based on weight.Deceptive labeling.I also think that mineral protienates are chelated forms of minerals that are more digestible for the dog.Protien can be hard on kidneys but generally only if it is a poor,low quality source of protien that is not highly digestible like corn gluten meal which is 60% protien.Meat sources of protien are by far the best.Make sure to provide plenty of water for your dogs when feeding high protien.

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:56 am
by Bearkiller
If its by weight and not volume I'd still take "B". There are alot more feathers per ounce than raw meat. Also by the theory you're getting alot of corn with "A" assuming its measured by wet weight. 31% is high. I feed 26% protien and 18% fat.

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:54 am
by Trueblue
Honestly,I don't like feeding any food with by products let alone by-products as the #1 ingredient.Nothing wrong with having ground corn as a second ingredient as long as meat MEAL is #1 (preferably a named source like chicken,pork etc.)

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:59 am
by southwestwalkers
thanx for the great info folks... :D

Robb