Northern California Field Trial April 17-18th!! UPDATE!!!

[norcalkemmer]

Sounds like a plan Irv. do you think it might be able to catch a ride?

[Plott Proud]

Gary ~ Sorry but no ride with me this time. I have to attend to some business while I'm down that way and will be pretty late getting back to town. I may even stay the night down there, I don't know yet.

Pack up all of your cohorts that you hunt and chum around with that are CHC members and those who should be as well and come on down.

[RIFLEMAN]

Dale,

I would think that with the attacks to our Hunting and Hounds that we believe we are about to under go, that maybe one of our CHC Board members or office holders could be present to address the houndsmen with things like the fund raiser that was sent out on that weekend, I know that there a lot of up-dates that the CHC members don't know about for some time but the officers do, and this would have been a good opportunity.

Yes, point taken. It seems like it would have been a good opportunity to further elaborate on the pamphlet that was sent out. But again, a volunteer organization cannot have people everywhere. Perhaps if more people such as yourself were to volunteer, we could have adequate coverage so as to be represented at the various field trials...

I just see that the volunteers from CHC had the opportunity to keep a lot of us in the loop as to what is happening and it was passed on.

I am unaware of any formal decision by CHC to refrain from having representation at the event. In fact, I am unaware of any advance notification of the event being sent to CHC using the email address and instructions found on the Events page of our website here. As such, I don't think it was a matter of the opportunity being passed on.

And there were more people at this Field Trial then the last few CHC meetings that I have been to, you would think that with the low turn out at the CHC meetings that they would take the opportunity when ever there are more then three houndsmen at the same place at the same time.

The meetings are intended to conduct the business of the organization rather than being used as a gathering of membership or a means of communicating information. With this in mind, I am neither concerned by low turnout of members (its truly the officer and trustee attendance that counts) nor motivated to encourage or otherwise emphasize attendance. Attendance by members is beneficial when members have comments, concerns, or questions, so it is something that should be initiated by the membership rather than compelled by officers or trustees.

[Dale T]

I am unaware of any formal decision by CHC to refrain from having representation at the event. In fact, I am unaware of any advance notification of the event being sent to CHC using the email address and instructions found on the Events page of our website here. As such, I don't think it was a matter of the opportunity being passed on.

I was not aware that CHC needed a "formal invitation" to address a group of Houndsmen, I am aware that Irv knew about the Field Trial by his posting, I'm also aware that Irv is very active with CHC and is at the State Capital probably more then the Governor himself.

The meetings are intended to conduct the business of the organization rather than being used as a gathering of membership or a means of communicating information. With this in mind, I am neither concerned by low turnout of members (its truly the officer and trustee attendance that counts) nor motivated to encourage or otherwise emphasize attendance. Attendance by members is beneficial when members have comments, concerns, or questions, so it is something that should be initiated by the membership rather than compelled by officers or trustees.

Well then they must have made some changes because over the last 20 years that I have been involved off and on with CHC it's always been a open to all members forum,

now if you want to keep going back and forth about this, that's fine with me, but the reason I'm pointing out the "passed opportunity" is because we have a fight baring down on us and like I said before anytime there's a gathering of houndsmen of any kind to run a piece of carpet with bear piss on it or a water race, I would think that a CHC Board Member, Officer or a fully informed member should be there to address the group,

At that Irv if you could PM me with a updated state of affairs of CHC and our Hunting rights by Tuesday the 4Th of May so I could update North Central California Houndsmen at our monthly meeting.

[Hoss]

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The meetings are intended to conduct the business of the organization rather than being used as a gathering of membership or a means of communicating information. With this in mind, I am neither concerned by low turnout of members (its truly the officer and trustee attendance that counts) nor motivated to encourage or otherwise emphasize attendance. Attendance by members is beneficial when members have comments, concerns, or questions, so it is something that should be initiated by the membership rather than compelled by officers or trustees.uote]

That makes me want to go to a CHC meeting! (rather than being used as a gathering of membership or a means of communicating information) You need to get off your high horse RIFLEMAN and Plott Proud.. I have offered to help and i try to go every thing if you need volunteers Ask and dont shut people down before they get started becuse i dont care anymore.

[Plott Proud]

Hoss ~ I don't know who you are and you definetely don't know me if you think that I'm on any high horse!

What have you offered to do anyway? I know for a fact that WE'VE NEVER TURNED DOWN ANYONE WHO'S VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE A LITTLE OF THE LOAD!

[Hoss]

Well Irv,
I find that interesting that you say that because I have offered many times to assist with numerous different events, along with paying my membership at the sportsman’s show and asking the representatives in person if they needed help with any CHC related endeavors. Every time I have paid my dues I have given the CHC reps my number and have never been called for anything. Take the iniative as a representative of the CHC to call the members that have offered to help and not throwing their numbers in the trash can. That is why you are an officer right? To represent the houndsmen? How can you represent an organization if you don’t want help from other members that are not in your little group of friends?

[Plott Proud]

I've answered this in my reply PM to you. I'm no longer going to be involved with any arguments here of what didn't, or should have, or wasn't or could be done by CHC.

This is the exact thing the the anti's who constantly WATCH THESE SITES want to see.
I won't be one of those that they can say "Are helping to seperate the ranks of the hunters"!
Enough said.

[RIFLEMAN]

Dale,

I was not aware that CHC needed a "formal invitation" to address a group of Houndsmen, I am aware that Irv knew about the Field Trial by his posting, I'm also aware that Irv is very active with CHC and is at the State Capital probably more then the Governor himself.

Note that I never asked for a formal invitation. Rather, I said that we did not make any formal decision (as in, by vote or dictate by an officer) that we would not be participating. The fact that Irv, one man, knew about the field trial does not mean that CHC "passed on" the opportunity as you seemed to imply.

Well then they must have made some changes because over the last 20 years that I have been involved off and on with CHC it's always been a open to all members forum,

CHC meetings are still open to all members. I never said anything to the contrary. I was simply pointing out the purpose of the meeting.

now if you want to keep going back and forth about this, that's fine with me, but the reason I'm pointing out the "passed opportunity" is because we have a fight baring down on us and like I said before anytime there's a gathering of houndsmen of any kind to run a piece of carpet with bear piss on it or a water race, I would think that a CHC Board Member, Officer or a fully informed member should be there to address the group,

As I believe I already acknowledged, this would have been a good opportunity to share information. But again, the point I am trying to make is that it is a very difficult position to be in when voicing concerns or critical comments about a group of volunteers especially when one is not, or does not consider oneself to be, among the volunteers.

[hatchetmtn6]

IRV, what a bunch of BS, I was a member of CHC when it was organized way before you ever got to CA. I was the secretary for Western Houndsman Assoc. which I still believe is one of the oldest clubs ever in CA, except for maybe Santa Rosa Houndsman. neither of which you're probably formiliar with, but back in those days we had a lobbist named James Welsh who represented SCOPE which we supported with all our earnings from the Valley of the Moon Field Trials, which to this day still payed out as much or more money than the Elk Creek Fied Trials,but even back in the 70's, the money went to preserving hunting,difference is with the help of James Welsh, I actually got to write a proposal to change the moratoriam on Mointain Lions, back in 1970, it failed, but we got the CA assembly to read it. Get in your archives you'll see SCOPE stands for Sportsman Committee on Political Education, but CHC should be writing laws, or intiatives not fighting them,time to get offensive. Just my OPINION

[Dale T]

Rifleman

No matter how much of a smoke screen you build up on this "MISSED OPPORTUNITY" by CHC, it was still missed , I have in the pasted and will in the future speak to the Houndsmen at the Field Trials, Water Races and NCCH meetings about what is happening when I have the information, I'm sure that there were Board members and officers that did know about this fund raisers but did not use this opportunity,
I'm not alone in this as you can see by the comments made by the other Houndsmen on this forum, and wheather you like to participate in the field trials/water races or not they are a opportunity to get the word out to more Houndsmen than you will find any where else.

Now go ahead and pick apart ever word that I posted and I'll get back to you

Dale

[RIFLEMAN]

hatchetmtn6,

CHC should be writing laws, or intiatives not fighting them,time to get offensive

Your comments weren't addressed to me, but in the interest of factual accuracy, I thought I should point out to you that CHC is indeed going on the offensive.

CHC was responsible for the passage of a law protecting hunting dog owners in that the removal of a collar without the written permission of the dog's owner is now a crime..this was Irv's idea as a matter of fact. We have testified on behalf of other bills that would improve hunting opportunities, including one that would mandate that money spent on bear and hog tags be directed to the big game programs rather than used for other purposes. We anticipate its passage this legislative year.

CHC's interaction with the Department of Fish and Game (DFG) is quite extensive. In addition to helping them conduct the Bear Hunting Clinic (part of their Advanced Hunter Education classes), CHC is working with the Department to decrease the size of the dog control zones, legalize the use of GPS for hounds, and increase bear hunting opportunities throughout the state. CHC will be working towards the elimination of other restrictions relating to the use of hounds in the future, but because of the public nature of this forum, I cannot elaborate.

Our alliances have never been stronger. A member of CHC is on the Board of Directors of USSA, the pre-eminent national organization that defends hunting, trapping, and fishing from any efforts (local, state, and federal) to curtail their practice. Here at home, CHC was among the first to join COHA, the state's largest hunting political advocacy (lobbying) organization that represents CHC, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, California Waterfowl Association, National Wild Turkey, Federation, California Deer Association, Mule Deer Federation, and about thirty other hunting organizations.

I am not familiar with either the Western Houndsmen Association or the Santa Rosa Houndsmen, as I have not seen them formally represented (at least not in the last seven years) during the activities of the Legislature, DFG, or Fish and Game Commission. A search for them on the Internet turned up nothing. Are they still in existence?

[RIFLEMAN]

Dale,

No matter how much of a smoke screen you build up on this "MISSED OPPORTUNITY" by CHC, it was still missed

Exactly what part of, "As I believe I already acknowledged, this would have been a good opportunity to share information" and, "Yes, point taken. It seems like it would have been a good opportunity to further elaborate on the pamphlet that was sent out" is a smoke screen? Let me say it like this....Yes, I agree with you that it was a missed opportunity.

I'm sure that there were Board members and officers that did know about this fund raisers but did not use this opportunity,

Yes, perhaps there were others besides Irv who were aware of the event, but we don't know for certain one way or the other. But again, I hope you realize the difference between one or more officers or trustees personally knowing about it and choosing not to represent CHC there and CHC the organization "passing on" the opportunity to send someone there.

I'm not alone in this as you can see by the comments made by the other Houndsmen on this forum, and wheather you like to participate in the field trials/water races or not they are a opportunity to get the word out to more Houndsmen than you will find any where else.

Yes, I think they are a great place to spread the word. Again, I never said anything to the contrary.

Now go ahead and pick apart ever word that I posted and I'll get back to you

Forgive me if I have an expectation that people are responsible for both the accuracy of their assertions and the words they choose...must be a flaw of mine.

It seems evident by your initial comments and repeated emphasis (of both the missed opportunity and the advantages such a venue would provide) that CHC representation at the field trials is very important to you. With that said, can we count on you to represent CHC there next year?

[Dale T]

Rifleman

Absolutely!
Like I have already posted on this forum I have spoken at the events I've mentioned in the past, when I have been informed, now with me willing to "talk the talk and walk the walk" are you ready to keep me informed by the 1st of the month so I can keep North Central California Houndsmen Up-dated and for the Field Trials and water races that I make it to ( I make most but not all )and keep a monthly up-dated CHC Posting under the clubs area in this forum so that the people that don't go to these events get up-dated because the biggest bitch that I have heard with all the polical BS coming at us is "what is CHC planning on doing"

Dale Tobiassen
President North Central California Houndsmen

[Plott Proud]

At that Irv if you could PM me with a updated state of affairs of CHC and our Hunting rights by Tuesday the 4Th of May so I could update North Central California Houndsmen at our monthly meeting.

Dale ~ There's been no change on the legislative front as of yet. We all know that this could change at any time.

As I'm sure you know, the F&G Commission didn't vote on any of the mammal regulations proposals that were presented to them by the F&G Department. They have to follow the laws concerning them replying to each person that notified them regarding the said proposals.

As I get informed YOU GET INFORMED.
Dale You know that when there's something that needs to be addressed YOU GET THE EMAIL FROM ME.

As you see from the contact list from my emails that you receive, my list is quite extensive. That's only 1 of 3 email lists that I notify folks from on issues that need to be addressed.

The sad thing is that out of those 250 or so contacts, maybe 50 bother doing what I ask of them to do. That's being quite conservative in the count I believe.

You have at least 3 CHC board members including the VP that goes to the North Central meetings regularly. You can feel free to ask them as well about what's happening.

You can simply take your news letter and read from that about what's happening as well.

The letter that you got from Dan concerning the Trailhound Heritage Fundraiser has the information on it as well.
So see, you've not been left out of the loop.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED TO BUILD THE SPVF FUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's our warchest, and we'd better get building it up man!!!!
That's the only way that we can even begin to take on these anti-hunting radicals when they come to our door!

You better believe tthe H$U$ and PETA bunch are building theirs!!

Hope this helps you some in your preparation for tomorrow night!
Irv