Dog problems, need advice please.

[M Evertsen]

Ok, I have been having some dog problems here lately, and I could use some help. I am not sure what to do at this point.

I have 4 dogs in 1 kennel. 3 females (F1, and F3 spayed, F2 not[and is starting in heat I think]), and 1 uncut male. About 10 days ago (maybe a little less), I came home, and F1 and F2 had obviously been in a fight. F2 had a large gash on her shoulder, and had apparently taken a "bath" in the water bucket. F1 was bloody only around her face, and did not appear to have any injuries. I left it alone, and was gone on the 29th for most of the day. When I got home that evening (around 9 pm), the dogs had FORCED the locked gate open. F1 was still here, and was going through the empty dog food bags. I got a call shortly later, and F2, and M1 were about 4 miles north of town. The people were only able to catch the girl, and she was wet and bloody again. As I was leaving my driveway, F3 showed up at the truck. M1 did not show up that night, but apparently came home the next morning.

I put F1 on a chain for a couple days, then day before yesterday, I switched them out and put F2 on the chain, and F1 in the kennel with F3 and M1. I was gone for about 2 1/2 hours this evening, and I came home to a fight in progress. F1 had F3 pinned to the kennel wall next to the water bucket. F3 has a gash in her flank, and torn up ears. F1 does not appear to have any injuries. When I got to the gate, F3 came to the gate, and F1 tried to attack F3's head again. M1 was in the background barking, but not fighting.

I also have a male in another close kennel with a young female pup, and they were barking like crazy as well.

My question is this - would having the uncut male in the kennel be causing some of the problems, or do I just need to do what I need to do to F1? I hate to do that, but I have in the past, but I am just getting tired of it. Seems I get a decent dog going, and they go goofy on me.

Thanks for the help.

Marcial

[chantellebraun]

remind the dog who really is in charge if it happens agian i would do the right thing save yourself the vet bills and heart ache i have never had those kinds of problems only with the males and a female in heat or the occsional grumpy dogs have they ever fought befor these times

[Unreal_tk]

Im not to sure myself but if the problem dog is worth it fix the others and it may alleviate it. But to many variables for anyone to really know. You might try putting your in heat dogs far away from the rest as well.

[Benny G]

Marcial,
By your story, it seems that, for whatever reason, F1 is the problem. Any time there is drama amongst a bunch of dogs, the whole lot of them will raise cain and bark. I believe that this is the "egging on" behaviour that gets dogs killed. As far as your problem with F1, chain her up outside of the kennel, away from having direct access to the outside of the kennel. If she is what you want in a hunting dog, and the ONLY time that she jumps on other dogs is inside the kennel, separate her. Oh yeah, if it were me, ANY time that she showed that aggressive behaviour, I would stomp the sh.. out of her and make an impression on her that certain behaviours are not tolerated!
Good luck.

[kordog]

put a dummy collar on her while she is out of the pen for a week then put a bark collar on her and throw her in the pen . even a growl will shock her. other than that if she is good in the woods with the other dogs just seperate her at home. it is in the dogs nature for them to struggle for dominance when left in a pen together to their own devices.a friend of mine just went through the same thing and just seperated the one even though they have got along for over a year in that pen.they still are angels in the woods together.dogs hold grudges and once they do it is hard to get it to stop . you could take most of the packs houndsman have and if thrown altogether in a pen it would look like a ufc match given time .it is the nature of the beast.i like what benny g has to say as well.

[Buddyw]

We had some issues with females around heat cycles. Sometime you expect the males to fight but we were having issues with Females fighting during heat cycles.

It wasn't easy to figure out the Problem, I agree with Benny.

But I just started Guessing 1 at a time, and I guess I was right because I haven't had those issues since. I've also fixed all my females now since I don't want to mess with heat cycles or puppies.

Not telling you what to do, but I would find the dog that is starting it and start there.

Good luck.
Buddy

[timothy]

Shit I've never been good at algebra

[Trueblue]

Shit I've never been good at algebra

[M Evertsen]

Algebra? I thought this was more like Trig...

Anyway, thanks for the ideas guys. I have the dogs seperated, and checked the one female, and she is not in heat. I was just thinking she may be starting becuase she is pretty close to being due, and she is not acting normal. It has also been a while since the dogs have been ran or hunted due to not having a good running vehicle right now (long story), so they may all be just getting testy anyway.

Happy hunting,

Marcial

[fox hunter]

sounds to me like f1 needs a bullet before it happens under a tree and you end up with a dead dog

[cameron blues #1]

I had some mean hounds,thought I coulf fix the problem,tried everything,end result was dispatching them,problem solved.Things are great in my kennel now.You let it ride and all your dogs will pick it up and then you are screwed!!!!

sounds to me like f1 needs a bullet before it happens under a tree and you end up with a dead dog

[KattTraxx]

Dog problems are usually not real complicated, and if left untreated, they can get ugly in a hurry. I have seen perfectly behaved dogs throw in on a big fight when the fight has been started by the problem dogs.. One thing to keep in mind if you put a shock collar on a dog, when that dog gets shocked they will sometimes lash out at the closest dog thinking that dog is the problem.. Be careful with a shock collar.. KattKrapp

[come-hunt]

Sounds to me like you have an Alpha female problem. I am assuming that f 2 and f 3 are out of the f 1 female? If so then that is wolf pack behavior. When in pack the Alpha Female and Alpha Male do the breeding , when the offspring become of age the Alphas run them off from the pack. If they don't leave when warned then they will be killed by the Alphas. The f 1 sounds like an Alpha to me. and the M1 dog sounds (again to me like an off spring and part of the pack ) Is he out of the F1 bitch? I would imagine not or he would have joined the fight.
Were these (F2-F3-M1) out of the F1 bitch before she was spayed? It appears that they are and it would be about time for her to cycle if she wasn't spayed.
A hound is just a wolf in sheeps clothing and like kordog says ,it's just the nature of the beast and they do hold grudges.
If they aren't related, you still have in my opinion an Alpha problem and the only way you are going to solve it is by Bennys method and then you will be the Alpha and when you aren't there controlling the pack, she will take over in your absence. Next time the slashes won't be on the shoulder,they will be in the kill zone. Separate them. MHO

[M Evertsen]

Thanks for the information guys. These dogs are not related. The only two dogs that are related are the two males I have. They are kept in seperate kennels. I have the other females separated from each other now. I have also not been able to get out much lately, and I am thinking that may be a cause of the issue. Just not being able to really work with the dogs and keep the alpha situation under control.