Dude, my dogs don't pile on and stretch the bear like a coon. The dogs will and do all the time, work a bear so hard he becomes weak and then it happens. Now the only way for some to believe is to see. So when would be a good time of year and the place which we can bear hunt. Maybe we will get on a bad one and watch the dogs get it done?
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Well I remember when Preston joined the old shadtree. I remember one of his first posts. The thread was about bears repeating holes in the ground or holing up anyway. I said it then and I'll say it now I like the sound of the guy. I truly feel he is a bearhunter and knows bear dogs. I could do post after post of quotes from this thread out of his posts that I truly believe in. I have mostly bear followers now but I do know the difference. I fear that alot of folks have never had a sense of urgency to protect/end a situation their dogs are in because their dogs don't ever stick like they should alone or in company. Its life and death for some. Right down to seeing that SOB as a meal. Most of what I consider to be the best of what I've seen would screw a hide up within seconds after the gun fires. Especially after a ground war. They hate it. Something dies to them usually the bear. They'll stay till you get there and crank it up when you do because its close. They fight/work a bear not bay one. My favorite thing that has been said was they'll catch a bear alone because I expect them to. Well folks thats the name of the game. Thats what seperates most of us out. Most don't even know what their dogs will do alone. A few together that are as good alone or in company is a beatiful and awesome thing to watch in the woods. Real bear dogs can dominate even the most unwilling bear. Domination is an awesome thing to see. If you've only got one thats trying hard enough then yes it may be down alot. Just a few can change the look in a bears eyes. Makes me miss a few thats for sure. Most folks wouldn't belive me anyway. Just my opinion for what its worth, nothing.
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boy ya got it right Preston and I hope others read it
Ankle Express wrote:Well I remember when Preston joined the old shadtree. I remember one of his first posts. The thread was about bears repeating holes in the ground or holing up anyway. I said it then and I'll say it now I like the sound of the guy. I truly feel he is a bearhunter and knows bear dogs. I could do post after post of quotes from this thread out of his posts that I truly believe in. I have mostly bear followers now but I do know the difference. I fear that alot of folks have never had a sense of urgency to protect/end a situation their dogs are in because their dogs don't ever stick like they should alone or in company. Its life and death for some. Right down to seeing that SOB as a meal. Most of what I consider to be the best of what I've seen would screw a hide up within seconds after the gun fires. Especially after a ground war. They hate it. Something dies to them usually the bear. They'll stay till you get there and crank it up when you do because its close. They fight/work a bear not bay one. My favorite thing that has been said was they'll catch a bear alone because I expect them to. Well folks thats the name of the game. Thats what seperates most of us out. Most don't even know what their dogs will do alone. A few together that are as good alone or in company is a beatiful and awesome thing to watch in the woods. Real bear dogs can dominate even the most unwilling bear. Domination is an awesome thing to see. If you've only got one thats trying hard enough then yes it may be down alot. Just a few can change the look in a bears eyes. Makes me miss a few thats for sure. Most folks wouldn't belive me anyway. Just my opinion for what its worth, nothing.
Ya know I just got through pming a good bear hunter back who pmed me. I tryed for a zillion explynations and streight up talken too him and what he sounded like and that he needed too now learn too be a master hound man with his pears, cause hes allready proved hes a master beardog keeper of surenuff said calabered catch & fighten the bear dogs !
ThenI flip on too this forum and it hits the same subject and LOL I read your wounderfull an informitive and earthy hunter friendly observations passed down for others to learn it right by and you are indeeda master hunters hunter an learned the good bondfire polabbering ways too get it all said with dignity an grace and for the others to not take personally=but rather they can say hey i just read ankle express and his awesome posting on how it is.
thank you
I think that one thing we can all agree on is that we all want dogs that will conistently have us looking at bears in trees.There are many different kinds of dogs that will accomplish that task.I know an old gentlemen that runs Stephens Curs and he trees as many bears as anyone I know of and has for 50 years.Are his dogs exceptionally gritty ? Nope.Really cold nosed ? I doubt it.About the only outstanding quality that I can see about them is that they are fast.This gentlemen even admits that his dogs will only stay with a bear on the ground for about 3 hours before they quit.Are his dogs bear dogs ? yep,in my eyes they are.These dogs will catch a pile of bears and they will do it day after day.Don has been chasing bears for more years than I have been alive and you can believe that he doesn't mess with dogs that don't get the job done.He might not catch that one mean bear out of 25 that doesn't want to tree but he will catch three in the same time that it takes those real bear dogs to wear down and kill that 150 pounder on the ground,and his dogs will be healthy and ready to go the next morning to tree a couple more.Now,for my own purposes I like a dog that will apply some pressure and bite a bear if he turns to run but I also want a dog that has the sense to stay healthy.Bear hunting in Idaho doesn't last all that long and when it finally gets here I want my dogs to stay healthy so I can hunt day after day.I HATE missing days in the woods waiting for dogs to heal up.I do not require a dog to have suicidal tendencies to make me happy.My dogs catch about 90% of the bears that I turn out on and that tickles me to death.Maybe they don't catch that 10% that have an attitude but I can assure you that I don't lose any sleep over it.I sleep really good knowing that I am going to wake up in the morning,the dogs are healthy,and I am going to do it all over again.Odds are the hounds are gonna tree a bear tomorrow,with a little luck they'll catch two,and if every thing goes perfect we might even catch 3.Now if that day comes to a close with a smile on my face and some healthy and happy hounds looking up at me...well that is my definition of success.It does not make any difference to me what anyone else's definition is,every houndman out there is entitled to his ideas about what defines success for him.
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Their not worth sharing Shane. Thats JR tied back at a dead bear but who would know? I suck about carrying the real camera in bear season.
If you didn't know better a body would assume hes a plott from that nasty photo!
I'll get you some rounded up.
By the way when do I get to see some pictures of Bullet and Jr. ?
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Good post True Blue, and Ankle Express and everyone else. It is sort of refreshing to be able to have an actual conversation on this topic without everyone bashing the crap out of everyone else's opinion. It's nice to be able to hear other opinions and learn what else is out there.
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Thanks steven .
I guess from the sounds of what others are saying here is it is all about the numbers and how many bears guys catch . what about the percentage of bear that are tough or uncatchable ( lol ) . That is where top dogs are found but most never will see it as they do not get off the road to do the evaulating.
My personal statement and opinion is that it is not just about catyching 30, 40, or 100 bears shoot most could do that with mediocre dogs given the time in the woods.
it is going to areas that have a local bear that will not climb or be stopped and getting the job done .
A top beardog has nothing to do with numbers whatsoever it has to do with the quality and type of dog it is.
I guess from the sounds of what others are saying here is it is all about the numbers and how many bears guys catch . what about the percentage of bear that are tough or uncatchable ( lol ) . That is where top dogs are found but most never will see it as they do not get off the road to do the evaulating.
My personal statement and opinion is that it is not just about catyching 30, 40, or 100 bears shoot most could do that with mediocre dogs given the time in the woods.
it is going to areas that have a local bear that will not climb or be stopped and getting the job done .
A top beardog has nothing to do with numbers whatsoever it has to do with the quality and type of dog it is.
Smiley,I don't care about that one uncatchable bear.Is there anything wrong with that ? I don't care about numbers either but when I go turn the hounds out I want it to end up with a bear in a tree.If it happens once a day,that is fine.If it happens twice in a day then that is even better.After all,isn't that the point.I want my dogs to catch a pile of bears please tell me what is wrong with that ? I don't care how many you caught and I am sure you dont' care how many I catch.I have never stated anywhere how many bears I catch and have never even posted a hunting picture.I could care less about bragging rights.Treeing as many bears as I can is fun for me..end of story.If you like going out and finding that one tough S.O.B that no one else seems to be able to tree then more power to you.If that somehow gives you satisfaction...great.
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This is where the divide is some just do not see or want to see there is a difference in a beardog or a dog that runs to tree or chase . It is ok if you or I cacth a few or a lot and it makes us happy but when we say we have a beardog well there are standards and that is why there is so much junk out there . And that is for all breeds Plotts walkers blueticks ect......
People do not care as long is it is at a tree and there are areas that you will not stop or tree a bear withought a bear dog.
I know that 2 of the easiest places I have caught bears are near council Idaho and in my back yard Hiese area. It does not take much of a dog to catch bears there but i know guys to claim to have beardogs that cannot catch anywhere else.
People do not care as long is it is at a tree and there are areas that you will not stop or tree a bear withought a bear dog.
I know that 2 of the easiest places I have caught bears are near council Idaho and in my back yard Hiese area. It does not take much of a dog to catch bears there but i know guys to claim to have beardogs that cannot catch anywhere else.
A coon dog is judged by his ability to tree a coon.
A lion dog is defined by his ability to tree a lion.
A bobcat dog is defined by his ability to tree a bobcat.
And a bear dog should be judged by his ability to consistently tree a bear.After all that is why we use tree dogs.By my definition it should not be required to tear in two,the meanest bear in the woods.
A lion dog is defined by his ability to tree a lion.
A bobcat dog is defined by his ability to tree a bobcat.
And a bear dog should be judged by his ability to consistently tree a bear.After all that is why we use tree dogs.By my definition it should not be required to tear in two,the meanest bear in the woods.
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And a bear dog should be judged by his ability to consistently tree a bear
Trublue that is a true statement. If catching bear is what it is all about good for you. We all like to see a bear in a tree and love the sport of it.
For me I will take the 10% that are "not catch able" and run it 100 times before I run a sow with two or three little cubs. To me the sport is catching that 500 lb boar that is over 7' square and hanging him on the wall. All this talk about 100-150 lb bears makes we wonder if anyone out there is catching the monsters. Maybe I have it all wrong, maybe all the monsters have been shot and just the little ones are out there. I doubt all the big ones have been shot because those make up the 10% that chase dogs off the mountain. Those are the bears I want, and you damn well better have "Bear dogs" to catch one. Oh I know those are the easy ones. That is why I see pics after pics of them on the walls of hound hunters.
And a bear dog should be judged by his ability to consistently tree a bear
Trublue that is a true statement. If catching bear is what it is all about good for you. We all like to see a bear in a tree and love the sport of it.
For me I will take the 10% that are "not catch able" and run it 100 times before I run a sow with two or three little cubs. To me the sport is catching that 500 lb boar that is over 7' square and hanging him on the wall. All this talk about 100-150 lb bears makes we wonder if anyone out there is catching the monsters. Maybe I have it all wrong, maybe all the monsters have been shot and just the little ones are out there. I doubt all the big ones have been shot because those make up the 10% that chase dogs off the mountain. Those are the bears I want, and you damn well better have "Bear dogs" to catch one. Oh I know those are the easy ones. That is why I see pics after pics of them on the walls of hound hunters.
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True blue "it should not be required to tear in two,the meanest bear in the woods." I agree . A beardog is not defined as being a catch dog .
And we have been talking about top dogs and those tough coon bear bobcat lion ect... are what top dogs are judged by and seperate top dogs from the average and cull dogs.
Take a dog that will catch every lion track that it is put down on that is 7 hours or less take another dog that will take a 18 hour old track inthe same conditions and put an end to the track every time. Are you saying that both are lion dogs ? Are you saying that there is not much difference ?
All I am saying is that there is a huge difference in top dogs and average dogs and most people do not know what a top dog is or is capable of and seems most people are happy withought ever knowing.
And we have been talking about top dogs and those tough coon bear bobcat lion ect... are what top dogs are judged by and seperate top dogs from the average and cull dogs.
Take a dog that will catch every lion track that it is put down on that is 7 hours or less take another dog that will take a 18 hour old track inthe same conditions and put an end to the track every time. Are you saying that both are lion dogs ? Are you saying that there is not much difference ?
All I am saying is that there is a huge difference in top dogs and average dogs and most people do not know what a top dog is or is capable of and seems most people are happy withought ever knowing.
