Page 8 of 9
Re: Opinions
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:44 am
by Varminator
Well just a difference in opinions Andy.
If the dog won't hunt when another is running trash, it might as well stay home where it is safe from getting in trouble. Some and probably many would say that's a Smart Dog, when their tripping over it and I would say it's a scared dog. If I call the trained dogs to me in order to catch the trash runner i want them happy and still willing to hunt. Hope that makes sense, on what I'm trying to say? JMO
Re: Opinions
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:00 am
by dhostetler
coastrangecathunting wrote:The way your always complaining about cat population I figured you only treed around 10 a winter. Nothin wrong with your population with those numbers.
A 12 year old dog could be on close to 100 trees on 10 cats per year for 10 years.
Anybody that catches 20 a year in Montana is the top 1% of the cat hunters. By the way I am not there yet.
Re: Opinions
Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 1:20 am
by mark
Is trash the only thing that you could possibly over break a dog from? Or are there other things too?
Re: Opinions
Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 10:55 am
by houndogger
coastrangecathunting wrote:Not all dogs fit with the style of the hunter. My style of dog is completely different than 95 % of all hunters. The style of how I hunt is the same as I was tough from Loyd based and my dad. Which is hot nosed dogs that don't bark until they are jumped. No barking behind or going to the other dogs. About 4 yrs ago I had trained a cold nosed pack of dogs. But got tired of cold trailing. Just not my cup of tea. These dogs I have now will cold trail but I have trained them not to. So if I have a young dog that wants to naturally put it's nose to the ground , open then put it nose to the ground again. I get rid of it. I know most of u are thinking , that's what there supposed to do. And for most people that is what u want. I want my dogs to smell a cat pick up there head and take off. Don't bark, I know they smell a cat I can see there body language. And so can the other dogs. So now there are 10 or more dogs running around covering the area looking for the track. No barking. Once 1 has found where it left the road there will be a bark or 2. And all dogs are heading to that dog. They will open here and there until jumped then it's a solid roar. If they make a lose , complete silence until 1 picks it up. The race tells a story. When u have dogs that won't honor and bark out of place it messes things up. Even if those dogs can catch there own cat. They are messing up my story so I will get rid of them. So a dog that I don't want might be useful to someone else. And a dog that someone else thinks is a hot nosed piece of shit that never opens until jumped is something that I would want. Style of how u hunt determine the style of dog u need. Jmo
Let me know next time you have a cold nose grubby dog.
Re: Opinions
Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 10:39 pm
by Varminator
Post by mark ยป Wed May 27, 2015 7:20 pm
Is trash the only thing that you could possibly over break a dog from? Or are there other things too?
Yes in my Opinion, such as striking off the Box, by scolding to harshly for Barking or striking off game when young. I know some dogs never shut up, but we don't keep those!
Riding on the Box, because of Diver error, such as driving fast on a bad road. Or because of a faulty Dog Box Or Rigging Design, things like a slick Top or Chains to Long or short.
Your turn, Rattle something off!!!!!
Opinions
Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 1:04 am
by South Texan
mark wrote:Is trash the only thing that you could possibly over break a dog from? Or are there other things too?
Had a friend that had two young pups that barked in the kennel all the time. When he couldn't get it corrected with shock collar when he was home he decided to buy a bark collar for both pups. This stopped the kennel barking but....when he started hunting these pups they would go and road hunt good with the older dogs but as soon as a cat was started and the older dogs started opening the two pups would get scared and come to the truck. They didn't want anything to do with a barking dog, they just knew they were going to get shocked because of all the barking going on. So...they were over broke from barking.
I think any correction we do in the training of a dog better be done in a trainable manner or we are going to be over breaking the dog for whatever he is being corrected for. Trainable manner? Correcting a dog without him quitting or coming out of a race and the dog "KNOWS" why he got corrected.
In a nut shell, I think there are numerous things that we can over break a dog from. JMO
Robbie
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Re: Opinions
Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 1:59 am
by dwalton
Well said Robbie, I think we can and should go the other way, if a dog is raised right there is little need to break them. I have said it before we teach the dog to be trashy or we teach them to not be by the way we raise and how we hunt. If dog is trashy it is because of poor breeding or poor handling. Each to their own, hunt what works for you. Dewey
Re: Opinions
Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 9:08 pm
by coastrangecathunting
What does breeding have to do with running trash?
Re: Opinions
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:15 am
by fallriverwalker1
so what your saying dewy if I bought a dog from you ,, any thing this dog does wrong is directly caused by me because your dogs are breed right after all ,, so any thing the dig runs other than a cat is my fault ,, jim
Re: Opinions
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:41 am
by coastrangecathunting
Thats what I think he said jim. I on the other hand run other species of game so I breed for trashy dogs.
Re: Opinions
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:48 am
by david
mark wrote:Is trash the only thing that you could possibly over break a dog from? Or are there other things too?
Robbie, there are bark limiting collars on the market that I know for a fact will fire because of noise near-by the dog wearing it. Seen a dog made gun shy because of this. Would be curious what brand he was using.
Have seen smart rig dogs who learned never to rig a bobcat when a deer could be seen by the handler. If there is yelling every time a certain situation presents itself, dogs are quick to learn how to avoid all the drama. What about an old cold nosed rig dog who knows there is going to be yelling if a young dog opens on a cat before he does (because the handler knows old so and so can't be beat on good game so it has to be off game)? will he honor the young dog, or stay tight? (Asking.) Theory, but, I think it would depend on the sensitivity of the old dog, and the freshness of the scent (when it reached his level or side of the box) compared to the measure of drama expected or already displayed.
Opinions
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 2:41 am
by South Texan
David, 99% sure it was a tri-tronics bark collar he was using.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Re: Opinions
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 3:08 am
by dwalton
Breeding has everything to do with it. If you breed hard headed hard charging dogs will have dogs that are hard to handle ,hunt for themselves and you are their ride to the woods. The good about them that they work well for people that are hard on dogs with there hunting and breaking style. I breed what I breed and only for myself, I do not breed a dog unless I think it is a improvement on what I have. Some times it works sometimes it does not. I only breed a female if I plan to keep pups out of her. My dogs are very soft and do not work for a lot of people. In fact I believe that a lot of people will have very poor luck hunting a pup from me. My dogs suit me and how I hunt. Again each to their own. That's why there are so many different breeds and types within each breed. Hunt what works for you and how you hunt, just maybe that's why there are so many opinions. Dewey
Re: Opinions
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 1:02 pm
by coastrangecathunting
......
Re: Opinions
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 3:22 pm
by al baldwin
I used tri-tronic bark limiters on most of the dogs I owned for the last thirty years at times, never noticed it have any negative effect on hunting style. Maybe, I got lucky but my dogs knew when that particular collar was placed on them that meant no barking, at times used them on an older dog that was held in the box while younger dogs ran a track. Dogs are smarter than some think and learn what collar they are wearing. There can always be exceptions to anything when hunting dogs. I agree breeding has an effect on dogs being trashy, however proper exposure & training has been stronger in how a dog turns out in my experience. Some of the hardest hunting dogs in my experience have been the easiest to handle & break off trash. I do not think having to break a young dog at some point in their life makes them a trashy bred dog, never owned one that did not require a little correction on trash at some point. T his has been my experience and I have hunted and trained more than one shy hound in my day. Good to hear everyone opinions. Thanks Al