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Catch has self destructed once again! He never posts anything constructive, just accusations that are worthless. I don't know the person (won't call him a man) but I have hunted with several Ursuss plotts that will, and have proven themselves day after day. YES, they have some faults but what dog doesn't? Catch wouldn't make a good PIMPLE on Steve Mohr's butt. He is just a jealous pile of what his dogs leave in the kennel, both on the floor and what they put in the box. This thread is getting real old!

Most say the anti's are our worst enemy. Organization's like HSUS, the Defenders of Wild life and PAWS are well funded and well organized. But posts that we allow one or two to turn into a character assassinations prove, beyond a doubt, that we our ourselves are our own worst enemies. It matters not what Breed or type of dog you hunt. It matters not what critter or where you are located, if we are to protect our great sport of hunting with hounds and our right of heritage to hunt, we ourselves must police our own ranks to end this type of division promoted by the few. We all know the anti's never fight and try to belittle others of those that believe in what they do. They focus that on us. But here we are, 10 pages started about a dog one man produces that many enjoy and most all just site back to watch how others have to deal with a character assassination by one or two that only promotes division instead of dealing with what's really is important, a successful dog of our great sport.

This topic was started about a Line of Plotts with a kennel name of Ursus. I've already told you all of how large and International this Line has become. The Breeder of that Line, Steve Mohr, and including ALL others that also enjoy these dogs never ask for this topic or promotion. I've said the dogs can talk for their selves and that's that. Nor do we care if any get a Ursus dog or not. But yet here we are, being attacked for what we produce and do, hunt with and produce dogs to successfully enjoy our heritage of hunting.

I write this to show all what I have been forced to do, to fight off attacks by one or two, is totally wrong and I know it. I have come on here twice now, both times because of attempts to attack Steve's or my character. Neither of us are saints. Both of us could careless if you wish to know us or not. We our successful and happy in about everything we do in life. We have met many with our dogs and most all we still enjoy a occasional conversation with when we have a chance. But yes, life itself guarantees there will be those others.

It has been shown undoubtedly that Steve and I did absolutely nothing to the primary attacker except provide him with the dogs he now says are outstanding. But yet he attacks us for producing them the way we know works by using third party BS about a color thing of the Breed. It makes no sense to me to attack the one that produced what you yourself enjoy and brag about. It even makes far lees sense to me to condemn what might of promoted them to be that good, but yet here I am. But what amazes me is all the people reading this and only a few condemning the person promoting a "anti's" agenda of division of our ranks. I can handle these attacks with the truth quite well. But surely more than just a few will join in the condemnation of a character assignation attempt against one of are own like this. Some where, some time, I could care less if it's now or not, we must stop this kind of stuff from allowing us to become divided. Our sport and our heritage demands and needs it.

Backwoods1, Mr. Worthlesston has a list of actions he, and he alone, did to others that were unexceptionable that is quite long. I have little doubt he will continue with his attacks for his self promotion has long as he's allowed too. Being I will not post anything but the facts in a matter such as this, I called Steve to verify all of them. After that very long effort was achieved, I ask him of your "request" to tell the story of the era he lived and the astonishing way life forced him to move to Canada. After a long chuckle, he has no problem at all if I tell that story. It's a heart warming story of a man's unwavering dedication and sacrifice that is seldom heard about today. Stories like it, we all need to hear more of in this world we live in today.

Unfortunately for you, I see your second to the last post as another attempt to belittle a fellow hunter and friend of mine. It was totally unnecessary to try to make me tell the story in defense of some rumor you won't bring forth. When you learn to ask about part of a man's past that led to him being very successful in all aspect of his life in a respectful manor, then I will be more than happy to tell it to all that don't already know it.

Worthlesston, If you continue with your attacks I will not be on the defense any longer. The last post was just a warm up for me, and I have little doubt you know it. The call is yours.

Marshall did for a fact promote the heck of his Ursus dogs when he and Steve dealt back and forth. Those who have been on the plott boards for years will attest to this. I remember years ago... him bragging about Ursus Storm, and her ability to produce top notch bear dogs, regardless of what she was bred to. The statement was made to the extent that only one or two pups out of all the pups she threw ended up not making top notch bear dogs...

There were also stories about the others he owned.. Ursus Turbo in particular... I remember the poor fella telling me (when I asked him about Turbo) that Turbo was a better dog than anything I had owned/would ever own. The sad thing is, the man's never hunted with me or my dogs. When a man makes ignorant statements like this, he proves that he is not credible.

Truth be known, it was only after the falling out between he and Steve that Marshall began to "margonalize" the Ursus dogs. Undoubtedly because of his hatred for Steve... not because of their lack of performance. Sounds a little like some of the "Politics" that Marshall accused Dennis of in one of the above posts.

He still worked behind the scenes to gather what he could of the Ursus line, from those people he hadn't yet burned bridges with. I don't know what he has been able to hold onto, and he certainly hasn't been willing to disclose what is it he is hunting at the present time, despite being asked. He posted on the smithdeal site a year or so ago about gathering info about Ursus Demon, which was owned by my friend Bob Black at the time. He even stated that he was looking to breed to the dog (on the public forum). Marshall and I had a pretty heated dispute one time shortly after that post, and he told me he'd breed to Demon if he thought Demon could contribute to what he currently had. When I asked Bob Black about this, Bob told me the cross didn't happen because Marshall didn't have the money to fly the bitch to WV to get her bred.

In closing... Marshall, if you are really "Over" Steve and the Ursus dogs like you say, why are you (years after the fact) still putting this much effort into running the man down? Let the man enjoy the rest of his years with his dogs and put more effort into starting your own legacy with your line of dogs...

and if what you are hunting is REALLY that much better than what Steve's producing, I would honestly like to know the breeding behind your dogs, because they may be worth putting a little research in down the road : )

Take Care

Do what you have to do Dennis!

I done some research on the gentlemen I had hunted with in Ca. with the Ursus Plotts that I talked about in the earlier post. I tried to contact him and he has past away according to his son. His son told me that the buckskin plotts they had were Ursus breed plott,and his father had got them from a guy in Idaho real close to the Oregon border .They were hair puller.Nice bear dogs.

Mr. Fish Eater, thank you for the info. But dang!!! I hate hearing our sport has lost another good man and hunter.

I live about 15 miles from the Oregon Border and I've only had two litters that had buckskins in my entire life. Many may know I fight hard for a vote of the Breed to once and for all end the color issue of Breed that has caused so much trouble in the past. But when a dog is lost to the Breeds registry like the one's your mentioning, simply because of a color, how ridiculous. Of course that's a opinion with only one vote attached if ever it is allowed.

I should also point out, if you don't mind me using this opportunity, that I seldom sell dogs. Steve and I have a very unique give and take relationship. We talk all the time about making different crosses that need to be made or what one's that have been made turned out like. But I'm not a Breeder. And if I was to be classed by some as one, I would never allow, nor want to be compared to Steve. Few can fall into that class and I definitely ain't one of them. I enjoy hunting and proving dogs. He sends them down and I enjoy training and hunting them and finding out their faults and asserts. But when I do make a cross that Steve wishes to have made, those go back to Steve or he sells them and I just send them to who bought them. It's a give and take relationship that has been going on for a long time between two friends that enjoy hunting dogs that promote success. Unfortunately, because of being attacked relentlessly by one person, I've blocked my e-mails and PM's on this site. All I want to do is mind my own business and enjoy the last years of my hunting career the way I always have, having fun. And this stuff definately ain't doing that. But I am on most other sites and Steve is on the Plottworld site if you wish to contact him or I. Steve also has his own Internet site, just goggle Ursus and you can see many of the dogs of his past.

I hope that helps all understand the friendship we have and how it works between Steve and I. Has I've said before, we enjoy these dogs because they suite us. But their definitely not for everyone. That would be "the perfect" dog and those simply don't exist, in any Breed.

wvplott,

It is funny you know so much about me and the dogs I hunt, yet I don't hear about yours.

Catch wrote:wvplott,

It is funny you know so much about me and the dogs I hunt, yet I don't hear about yours.

I only knew about those old dogs because you used to run your trap about them all of the time on the plott boards, which proves again that you used to promote the hell out of those Ursus dogs you had when you were in Steve's good graces.

As for the dogs you are hunting today, I don't know anything about them, and I don't hear anyone else talking about them for that matter either : ) Heck, we can't even get you to tell us about that fine breeding program you have. Maybe its because you don't want to open yourself up to ridicule, who knows? Maybe you've picked up some of those bluff creek dogs that you told me were "Gutless"?

For the record, for every good thing I've heard said about you, I've heard dozens of other negative comments related to you...and yes, those were comments from those who have dealt with you first hand. So does that make you a legend? lol In your own mind maybe.

I don't have to get on these sites and talk my dogs up. Maybe you haven't heard much about them because you've been kicked off of most of the big game plott sites? My primary objective when it comes to bear hunting with plotts is not self promotion. If you would like to hear about them, I've got references from guys who have... and will send you their contact information if you wish to be humbled. If not, try to refrain from margonalizing them like you have tried to do with Steve's dogs... because it's really making you look bad.

If you want references, you can start with calling Bob Black (since I'm sure you still have his number). You know Bob will give you the scoop, for better or worse.

If the opportunity presents itself, ask him about the big bear that was killed on the ground after walking/fighting/baying for hours. That bear sent more than one dog back to the truck, and more than one to the vet. Out of the 7 dogs that are tied up at my place, 6 were on top of the bear when he was killed, and the 7th was lying over the hill with a shattered front shoulder/leg (and had to be carried out of the woods). The six that did make the kill were all full of holes, and ripping the bear's ass from start to finish.

So there you go bud... now you've heard a little about them lol

Apparently this thread has been reduced to the degree of Marshall Worthington sending me PM's attacking my dogs... dogs he's never hunted with I might add.

Marshall,

I have given you a list of a dozen or more names, and will provide you with their contact info if you want to know about my dogs' performance.

I would like you to disclose a list of all of the guys you have supposedly talked to about my dogs... those guys who have supposedly bad mouthed them. Please post their names on the public forum.

I can guarantee you that very few, if any, of the guys who have hunted with me and my dogs could even stand you long enough to talk you... so I know for a fact that your so called claims are invalid. Like I said, make a liar out of me big guy...put your money where your mouth is, on the public forum. Lets have some names.

And for the brute dog that you took a particular interest in (with the attack), send kdrchuck an email and ask him about Brute. He's a member of this site. Brute was one of the dogs on the big bear we killed on the ground this winter... Chuck was there to close the deal, and he can tell you all about him. Not exactly the mediocre dog that you claim he is...

In closing, if you can't own up to the challenge, let's just let this thread go big guy. All of us are growing tired of the bs, and have more productive things to do with our time.

Take Care

this is the "solid" pup dennis is so atimately talking about. He was 5 wks old in this pic, the day I picked him up. Not the best shot, from a cell phone, but I think its pretty obvious the pup isn't solid, maybe I'm crazy, but he had brindling on his ears legs mouth and rump at this time.

At 6 mo old brindling was obvious even in this pic with no sunlight! it can clearly be seen on his cheeks, hind quarters, chest and shoulders.
I gave this dog to marshall as i had too many young dogs and was going a different direction in my breeding. I papered and named the dog, he was never solid.

Well, that solves that!! Still waiting for steves side of the lawsuit?

Dennis, one of the things that I have heard in the past is that some of the acts of dedication and sacrifice might have been on the wrong side of the law and that is why Mr. Mohr had to leave the country. That can't be true, is it?

Backwoods1
--- solves nothing LOL... 1st time I have ever saw a 5wk old Brown Brindle Pup turn Black in 4 months (just maybe a photo switch?)
---- ''Still Waiting" maybe it is because all you do is hint about a story and have no facts just one of those I heard stories ... oh ya from a good source ....
as I said before, you would best stick to discussing dogs .......

Reed ... thought you were a houdsman? since when did you become so interested in Steve's private life ... you have his number give him a call........

bob wrote:Backwoods1
--- solves nothing LOL... 1st time I have ever saw a 5wk old Brown Brindle Pup turn Black in 4 months (just maybe a photo switgh?)
---- ''Still Waiting" maybe it is because all you do is hint about a story and have no facts just one of those I heard stories ... oh ya from a good source ....
as I said before, you would best stick to discussing dogs .......

Reed ... thought you were a houdsman? since when did you become so interested in Steve's private life ... you have his number give him a call........

Think what ya want Bob, thats the dog.