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larry wrote:It is being done in Sweden, and Steve Mohr caught a griz this year, on purpose, and made it climb.

A guy in Idaho had a griz race, got himself hurt a little and some of the dogs if not all won't run bears anymore. They weren't plotts The above mentioned dogs are.

Larry, a week before that an incident occurred there was some houndsmen in Northern Idaho had a depradation permit to kill a bear that was causing problems for an elk ranch. The bear turned out to be a decent sized grizzly. They caught it with dogs and killed it.

cool!

There was some discussion afterwards of working towards some sort of IDFG policy for depradation. The houndsmen were asked to kill that specific bear which the IDFG assumed was a black bear because it was not in area know to hold grizzleys.

seems as though a few people do it. What would you say the difference(s) are between runnin a black and a grizzly? more agreesive, faster, harder to make climb? Also how do you guys do it? sounds like a 'duh' question but, any different then when huntin blacks? do you need super fast gritty dogs that'll pull hair to make em climb? or more of bay dogs to get him on the ground?

Idaho Bison - Where did this happen? I live in N. Idaho in the middle of the Griz Mgmt Unit and haven't heard a word of it. I know it didn't happen here, hounds on bears are outlawed in this unit.

beaglewalkerhunter4 wrote:seems as though a few people do it. What would you say the difference(s) are between runnin a black and a grizzly? more agreesive, faster, harder to make climb? Also how do you guys do it? sounds like a 'duh' question but, any different then when huntin blacks? do you need super fast gritty dogs that'll pull hair to make em climb? or more of bay dogs to get him on the ground?

I find a grizz that weighs 500# has the speed of a 200 # black bear, you will not tree a mature grizz and if you ever did I hope it is on video. You may tree the younger ones , say 4 years and younger. If you want to run them you better have a kill tag with you as most chases if they do end ,it will be on the ground and pulling your dogs off can be more excitement then a guy needs. You need fast dogs , but more important you need smart dogs, smart enough to stay alive. To much grit only works for a short time.

bearcrplotts wrote:Idaho Bison - Where did this happen? I live in N. Idaho in the middle of the Griz Mgmt Unit and haven't heard a word of it. I know it didn't happen here, hounds on bears are outlawed in this unit.

It wasn't in an open season. They gave a depradation permit to kill a specific bear in unit 3 that was killing domestic elk. The IDFG didn't know it was a grizzly or that there was even one in the area. I believe this incident may have contributed to them being officially reclassified as a big game species a little over a month later.

They kept that one under their hats. Never saw an article or anything on it. Must have been at the elk farm at Rose Lake. Where did you hear about it?

bearcrplotts wrote:They kept that one under their hats. Never saw an article or anything on it. Must have been at the elk farm at Rose Lake. Where did you hear about it?

I heard originally from a buddy who use to hunt with the guys who shot it and an IDFG employee I know confirmed it. There are several elk farms out there and this bear had killed elk from two of them.

bearcrplotts wrote:They kept that one under their hats. Never saw an article or anything on it.

Why do you think they changed there status to a big game animal 5 1/2 weeks later?

Not the first one to be killed out of the Mgt Units for sure. The others have always been posted somewhere, paper, news etc. They have to make sure we know they are expanding out of their intend areas. Stinks like fish to me. Must have been a pack of Plotts that caught it and they kept it under wraps so as not to piss off the walker guys.

bearcrplotts wrote:Not the first one to be killed out of the Mgt Units for sure. The others have always been posted somewhere, paper, news etc. They have to make sure we know they are expanding out of their intend areas. Stinks like fish to me. Must have been a pack of Plotts that caught it and they kept it under wraps so as not to piss off the walker guys.

I think there was a short note in our paper about it but no article. I don't think they want to advertise that they messed up by giving a permit to kill a grizzley.

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your way to use Karelian bear dogs is different than how we use those dogs here where they came from. Yes those dogs trail some. Our way is to freecast one dog to find bear or moose. Only problem is this breed have used for moose hunting too long so it's hard to find real bear dogs anymore but there are some lines.
It's funny that here plott's costs alot and karelian dog pups are given free sometimes . Let's make fare trade i can ship some karelian pups to you and you ship some plott or other bear hound pups to me. It's win win situation .

I guided a guy from Suomi in the salomon river here a couple of years ago Kirpa. He hunted brown bears with Karelian beardogs. I tried to emply that maybe some Jämts could do so bearwork to, but he didnt want to hear anything about that. Only Karelian beardogs could do some work on a bear worth mentioning in his eyes, he he
My impression though is that spitzdogs boogerbay bears. They dont "work" a bear as I think they should. Barking at a bear from 15 yards aint good enough.

Hounds on brown bears..., I'll have to go with the Hillbilly. Brains, brains and brains. Of course you would bay the brown ones with hairpulling Plotts, but then you'll also need a whole bunch of breeding females to keep a pack.

I'm only allowed to use two hounds/dogs at a time, so I use one hound, which has the task to take on cold tracks, move fast when the track heates up and to sound off like the foghorn on a sailboat when a track is found. The other dog is a spitzdog. It is trained to follow the hound when it opens(these are very hotnosed dogs) and "take the short rute" to the game once jumped. Or at least thats the idea.....

Hey, Kirpa! Do you know of any Jämt litters for the time beeing? A friend of mine is fed up with his good for nothing Norwegian greys and Vest Laikas, so he wants to try a Jämt from Suomi.

Hans

Well i like that my dogs have their ears pointed down not up. Thats why i don't have any spitzs dogs. That sounds familiar what lynxhunter wrote. Too much fanaticism in any case is not good. I don't know any jämt bear lines in Finland and when you ask some question from breeders they tell you this line is the best and so on.