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Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:20 pm
by Ike
I'll agree a post like this should be in the Cage and not out there for the public, antis and fish and game so I removed my post. However, I still believe that each of us should look and think hard on what we release our hounds on. And I'll leave it at that. The legends of our sport (and they aren't my heroes and never have been) killed everything they caught if it wasn't brought home for the puppies to play with. That ideology has never been mine nor do I look up to the people who had that attitude or did those deeds. I never once read a book on the old timers until I'd learned to catch my own game, what I have done was because of the people and the sport and not to follow in the footsteps of people who are dead and gone.
ike
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:31 pm
by Doogie
No Devin this all started with my my reply to Bearkillers post on the ''some people never grow up" thread
Ike, your post about calling dogs back just because the game warden was with you shows just how hypocritical you are
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:33 pm
by Ike
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:59 pm
by liontracker
Mike Leonard wrote:Not meaning to rain on anybodys post, but anybody that has run lions with hounds for any length of time has ended up with some kittens in a tree. The deal to watch is turning loose on a track deliberatly when you know there are kittens of this size traveling with the female.
Do the right thing for the sport.
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:00 pm
by liontracker
Rockcreek wrote:Mike- I certainly agree. Nobody wants dead kittens. The thing is when you turn loose on a single track, that is nothing more than a little pock mark, filled with snow in a snowstorm... sometimes you end up with mama treed, or kittens treed, or both.
Take care.
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:02 pm
by liontracker
Big Mike wrote:I turned out on a female with kittens on purpose once. The kittens werent harmed and I was lucky.
Good lesson learned. Havnt and wont intenionally run a female with kittens again.
Have treed a few more unintenionally and havent had one harmed. But i have a couple of buddies that have had there dogs catch and kill kittens on accident
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:03 pm
by Stubby
Not sure why this post should become a pissin' match when it's good advise unless it was intended as a comment on someone else's behavior.
Same goes for cubs too. I dumped my dogs on a cub of the year once when things were slow hoping to get some excitement when mom showed up. Well she didn't, and lets just say I will never do that again. Sometimes it's unavoidable what happens once you cut the dogs loose but other times it's a matter of choice and it's just better to keep driving.
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:04 pm
by liontracker
Mr.pacojack wrote:I got Rockcreeks message perfectly. I got that even though kittens are caught accidently, it shouldn't end up with them stretched. You should leash your dogs up and leave them in a tree to run in the future.
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:05 pm
by liontracker
Ike wrote:ike
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:06 pm
by liontracker
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:12 pm
by Ike
there you go liontracker, I sent in my huckleberry hound to represent me in the pissin contest........and we might as well start the new year off right!
ike
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:43 am
by AZDOGMAN
Mr. Pacojack, Maybe i missed something but i dont remember them killing kittens on that movie. If i am reading your post right you seem to be taking a stab at the guys on there. The 2 main people responsible for catching those lions i know. One is brent, my cousin and is a stand up guy. The other is derringer and you wont meet a more soft spoken honest man than him. I dont know you but i would put money on the fact that you and most guys on here arent a pimple on his ass when it comes to catching lions. I built his house for him a year or so ago and got to spend a week with him and his family. I asked his wife one day how much he hunts. She told me he hunts over 300 days a year. So before you go spouting off about some "legend of el gato" do some checking cuz imo he is one of the legends of lion hunting. If i took it wrong im sorry but i felt the need to stick up for the both of them. Anyone that has met or hunted with these guys will agree.
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:52 am
by Smiley
8 dogs or 10 or twenty would not make any more difference to 3-4 dogs on a cub or kitten shoot one dog for most cubs or kittens is to much so an 8 dog limit should have nothing to do with protecting small ones
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:06 am
by ChasinTail
AZDOGMAN wrote: The other is derringer and you wont meet a more soft spoken honest man than him. I dont know you but i would put money on the fact that you and most guys on here arent a pimple on his ass when it comes to catching lions......... So before you go spouting off about some "legend of el gato" do some checking cuz imo he is one of the legends of lion hunting. If i took it wrong im sorry but i felt the need to stick up for the both of them. Anyone that has met or hunted with these guys will agree.
AZDOGMAN is more than right. Sam doesn't kill lions that haven't been killing livestock, and the last time I checked, kittens don't kill livestock. I've hunted with Sam, and the only living dry ground houndsman that might compare to him is Warner Glenn. I've seen both "El Gato" movies and don't recall any kittens being killed. If you're "aging" the lions by their size...I have news for you... lions in Arizona, especially in the areas that Sam hunts, don't get very big compared to the northern states. So aging the lions in the video on their size is your first mistake. (since you don't have any other data on the lions other than their size.) Your second mistake is bad mouthing the houndsmen in the videos. This is far from the topic of this post, I understand that, but like AZDOGMAN, I had to stick up for Brent and Sam.
Happy New Year everyone!
Re: Not all kittens get stretched
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:58 am
by The Ole' Guy
Great Post Devin.
