More Hounds Killed By Wolves

[houndcrzy]

http://www.dpiw.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/We ... ZM7CX?open


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strychnine

[ChasinTail]

I saw the pics before they got taken down, and all I can say is what a horrible sight. I can't even imagine the feeling of being so excited about seeing the lion in the tree, and to walk up and find that. I wish you the best of luck on rebuilding your pack and recovering from the loss of a good buddy. Take care.

Tyler

[montananative]

shiemer, sorry to hear about that. i hunt quite a bit in the pryors, never seen wolves there or cut any tracks, but thats really not to far from luther/redlodge area. too close for comfort

[bullriver]

Houndcrazy you read my mind!!!

[Stubby]

If you start dropping poison all over the place you are going to be losing dogs to poison not just wolves.

This from an old "fur fish game" magazine:

Late 19th century trapper Joseph Henry Taylor related a chilling tale of strychnine’s far reaching effects. Taylor was traveling with his favorite greyhound along a lake where he’d trapped previously. He came upon the skeleton of a beaver he’d staked out and laced with strychnine five years before.
The greyhound began licking the old bones. A minute later, the hound was writhing in pain and died within the hour. Taylor said the greyhound had belonged to General George Armstrong Custer and had survived the ill-fated charge at the Little Bighorn, only to die so senselessly.

[bullriver]

Who said anything about dropping anything " all over the place"? Don't assume anything!

[sourdough]

Bullriver,

sorry to hear about the loss of your dog. The release of these northern gray wolves in the lower 48 has been a environmental travesty and the agenda these wolf advocates have, has yet to be seen. The Agriculture lobby was able to get a prevision to off set the loss of livestock do to predation by the northern Grey wolf and it's sad that a recreational previsions such as hound hunting was not part of it, no amount of money could ever replace the loss of your dog. It is unfortunate but I think that we are stuck with these wolves and are at the mercy of the federal government and the endangered species list. Things are happening every day in the west. One has to set there and scratch his head. The year before last a biologist got a picture of a wolverine on a trail camera in the northern mountain of California near lake Tahoe Hair samples were taken and found the animal to be from the northern Rockies. They got some more pictures of it, this year and are trying to build a case that there is suitable habitat to release more wolverines. Now I will bet that their agenda is not the wolverine, Grey wolves, Northern spotted owl, bigfoot or any other wildlife they claim to have a heart for. The only thing we can do to protect are selves, is band together and raise money, take the time to make comments on drafts that they propose, and I say this because if you ask anyone in the know when they put a draft out there for public comments the only folk that show up to make comments are environmentalist. Sportsman sit back and think someone else will take care of it.

take care.

sourdough

[bullriver]

Well said Sourdough...Here in the Northwest the reintroduction was as reckless an undertaking as imaginable. When they do ask for public input in these matters they seem to sit back nod their heads and say" we understand, and were sorry" and do what they want anyway! Any forums seem to be a token display at best. We as a group are going to have to say enough is enough and make enough noise to be heard. How we do that remains to be seen. I don't pretend to have the answers, but I am making all of the calls I can and am spreading the news about our dead hounds. You are correct, money is not what I want, but it is a bit rediculous that they are deemed "not worthy " by the State, but a cow or sheep is! Maybe if everyone took the time to call or write their representatives and the F@G, we would at least be heard in some respect. Who knows...
Like I said, I don't have the answers, but I'm gonna try. These dogs are far from the last ones this is going to happen to...we don't have much time. The wolf population is already out of hand, they know it, and so does anyone who spends any amount of time in the woods. We need to push for a drastic thinning of their numbers, and we are well within our rights to do so. Just my thoughts.

[BULLMASTER]

SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR LOSE

[sourdough]

Bullriver,

Keep beating down those doors, as these wolves numbers continue to grow and affect others your voice will get bigger and as the livestock folks start losing more of their livestock grazing lands and deer, elk hunting opportunities crash to the point that business are harmed because of lack of sportsman dollars, things will happen. Hell the grizzly bear folks are mad at the wolf people because of the affect "their" Grey wolf has had on "their" bears in "their" Yellow stone. I use the word "their" because this is what these people believe and I have heard them say it about any government owned property US forest service, national parks, state parks, what have you. people forget that the government is owned by the people and we together have a voice we just have to sound it together. I was glad to see Montana, Idaho, have a wolf hunt its obvious that the numbers of wolves that need to be taken has to be raised but it has to be done a little at a time for now, or some federal judge will step in after some wolf coalition files a law suit to stop it. They, the wolf coalitions need to have litigation filed on them for the loss property, income, livestock, and every other hardship these wolves have placed on the peoples they affect. The us Fish and Wildlife is untouchable as far as litigation but these private groups are not. Just my thoughts they may not mean anything.

sourdough

[bullriver]

Sourdough,
I couldn't agree more! "They" have forgotten who owns the national forests as well. We need to remind them. "They" work for us...but it sure doesn't seem like it. "They" have their own agendas, and we get to pay for them...with our dollars and animals! No greater injustice!

[dhostetler]

Who said anything about dropping anything " all over the place"? Don't assume anything!

I believe this is already happening. 2 years ago one of my hounds came out of hiking trail after a unsuccessful race when I picked him up he was obviously sick the next day he was deathly sick and drooling saliva and blood and I rushed him the vet who got him over it by putting him on IV and me shoving pills down his throat for a month. He made a complete recovery and is still doing great. The vet said his liver was shutting down and she sent samples to labs who didn't find anything, so whatever he consumed was probably out of system before the samples were taken. Several weeks ago a friend mine's 4 year old plott died 2 days after a race, an autopsy didn't reveal any hints on why he died. Anybody roading in MT, WY, and ID better take care as I figure poison spreading will only worsen. Any houndsman that will spread poisen will probably control it or recover the poisen after a period however we houndsman are a very small minority of the outraged wolf hating hunting public.

[Cold Track]

The answer is PARVO!

[Steve White]

Sorry to hear of your loss as well. It's too bad the pics were taken down. As hard as it might have been to see them. It is important for others to see that kind of stuff. If an anti, or animal rights person happens to see that and gets disgusted so be it. They are part of the problem, and should see the affects of it! A pic does no justice to actually walking in on it!! It will bring tears to the biggest baddest man in the world!

Parvo is a nice thought, but not the answer. The wolves that are captured, released, or otherwise handled by humans for some study. Get a nice little shot to prevent it. Not all of them get vaccinated, but enough to keep the population going.

There already has been significant damage on wildlife in areas with wolves. As the population increases it will get worse. If you have not seen the website saveourelk.com you may want to check it out.

[sourdough]

Steve,

I will agree that people need to see the pictures of the wolf kills. Though I don't think this is where they need to be seen. John Q public is who needs to see them, most on here all know the harsh reality of what predators like wolves are doing to are wildlife, livestock, and pets. We can talk about it and make others aware of where these losses happened so as to prevent someone else from having it happen to them. It is only a matter of time before these big country predators have a foot hold in every state that has suitable habitat and adequate pray base for them. When they wipe them out so goes the livestock they have displaced other predators who have never had to deal with a foe such as the wolf you have to love them broad thinking intellectuals. This site reaches far and wide so I now that there are some folk that view this site that have had to deal with the Grey wolf longer than we have out west. These folk might have some way of protecting their trail hounds while in wolf country? Hunting big game animals with hounds always has risks though I don't think to this magnitude so I sure don't have the answer to this wolf problem other than it's going to take a massive public out cry to change it. Sorry to burst your bubble but if you think the anti-hunting crowd that visits this site have compassion for our trail hounds or livestock your fooling yourself they are cheering these losses and they prey on the compassion of others to get the funding they need to operate. The uninformed pubic are the ones we need to focus on. As I have read some of these other post on this subject, the information that some have posted is just the type of ammo they can and will use against us.

sourdough