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DDB I'm from Pennsylvania. I don't currently have a cat dog.

TRW that would be great stuff if you made that trip. I could put you up a few days if you wanted to hunt PA some. The guy's I have talked to from Maine don't do to well till the snow gets deep. I have never talked to Nelson though.

TRW wrote:I would love to take you up on that offer. We may have a good time so next cat season where we headed. .

TRW, did you know Earl Davis in Forks, WA? I think I heard him talk about Hershal Joiner. I have an ancient black and white photo of a dog Earl called Grampa. I am wondering if that dog was close to the Hershal stuff? I was a frustrated "want to be" bobcat hunter until I bought a pup from Earl out of his Twist x Goldie. After that pup turned two, I was no longer a frustrated wanna be Oregon bobcat hunter, I was a very happy wanna be Oregon bobcat hunter. You could not have told me I was still a wanna be, though, Man, I was the real deal then I was catching bobcats on a regular basis for the first time in my life! Now, about 25 years later, living, well... somewhere in the uppper Midwest, I am still a wanna be Oregon bobcat hunter.

We ended up bringing that pups mom, Goldie, to live and hunt in MN/WI. And that story is just a small part of the mystery I hope you can solve for us out here. She was out of Davis' Crowder and Rose. On her papers she was Davis' Sail, but he called her Goldie. I hunted with her in Forks, and,...wow, a great bobcat dog. We hunted her here in MN and,... well, not wow, and never caught another bobcat in her life. I have other stories of other great dogs moved here from there also.

So if you are headed to Maine, and PA, I hope you can get in some hunting in Minnesota and Wisconsin. I can put you on cats in MN, and I know folks that would do the same for you in WI. I dont have a dog (or a home other than "the road" for that matter ) But I still know where a lot of bobcat bedrooms are. If they are not walking, I can go knock on their doors and ask them politely if they would.

If you really do this, I hope i can talk to you at length before you leave. I have thought long and hard on this mystery, and have put together some theorys that you might be able to test to some degree. I hope you can do it. Although I worry about our traps and wolves for you, there are No snakes and no gators! Our most dangerous animal is actually the porcupine, and you have those too.

IF you figure this out, we can re-name you Sherlock.

Your dogs will be changing environments, but they will not be changing dog boxes, and most of all, they will not be changing master/handler. That is a part of the formula you can test for us.

I am getting excited, and I am not even the one doing it!

(PS TRW do you know anything about Tex Jonas and that breeding?)

That stock of dogs that EARL Had is well gone a few people have alittle bit in there dogs but as far as knowing what he had i think was just good breeding. I know that Sam Dotson brought Hershal out to forks years ago to cat hunt and ended up with a few females that changed the way of cat hunting he ended up with four or five females and they were scattered through out forks. Hershal breed One of the famious House Dogs to a female that came from Kernal trigg and i guess they could fly when they ran they caught. Story i heard was when one of them biches ran a youte it would maker about thirty mins. Well in the last twenty or thirty years there is a few people that kept breedind them back and forth with some real cat dogs so i would imagin Earl was in the mix also, A few good hounds man in ore have disindents of those dogs. There was a few around here but a bear hunter owned them and they dissapeared when they got him in some trouble. Thats sounds like a blast i enjoy puting the numbers after the cats i went to JC,S a bit ago and ran a dandy all night finaly treed a 10 pounder about an hour before day light he has some runers down there. You guys should pack up and head this way, will your dogs run the grays they run good to. What kind of races do you guys get out of them cats in Flordia an average cat race here is twenty mins jumped butt there is times when you get after a cat that has a little confidence and they will have to catch him on the ground or in a colver. Though know that i dont get to hunt seven days a week them dogs are going to be soft as butter. Thats what happens when the babys come. I was playing and she took me serious

TRW,

I missed this when you posted.

There must have been something in the Air out west last year as Pegleg's wife along with wives of three other friends have the same ailments. You guys poking fun should have been out with your Hounds...it would have been WAY CHEAPER!

Dad does not run Greys. There are lots of Fox/Cat hunters east of us. CA has lots of Combo hunters....just not Dad's style. If one of his Hounds bark...it had better be a Bobcat or else! Or Else don't happen often.

If you go to the bobcat forum I gave a recap of 2009 Races. it seems like the Sows avg. 45 min and Toms an hour. I should check but my log is out in the truck. I will go to the original post and edit it in here later along with a reply to the "Jointer" Hounds Cat catching numbers.

Good Running to All!

CJC

PS here is the post about the length of Races, this was 2008 and 2009's records:
"As we said in an earlier post our records from last year show that the avg. length of a Race was just under an hour. This was from 186 Races that lasted longer than 5 min. This year to date we are at 173 Races that were not pop ups and are running just slightly longer than an hour".

Well come this fall i will try and make a plan somehow and go some where. that would be alot of fun just to see the diffrence in hunting. but what most folks dont know is in oregon we have just about every thing there is to test a dog Desert, Rain Forest, Rim Rock, Snow, Cold weather you name it and we perty much get it and granted there is things that slow up a dog but more than likely folkes that live there deal with the same problem, so all im saying is a good cat dog will make it work some how. most hard hunters own a hand full in there lives and im shure we can all agree on that.

TRW,

You said, "so all im saying is a good cat dog will make it work some how. most hard hunters own a hand full in there lives and im shure we can all agree on that"

Very well said!

Come see us when you can.

CJC

Ryan wrote:TRW that would be great stuff if you made that trip. I could put you up a few days if you wanted to hunt PA some. The guy's I have talked to from Maine don't do to well till the snow gets deep. I have never talked to Nelson though.

Ted, are you sure you know what you're getting into hunting with Ryan??? hahahaha If you do head out that way, make it around deer season and I'll join you. He said he'd find a whitetail for me sometime.

I heard Sean Parks from Sweet Home has the best cat dogs in linn county. All his pups were treeing there own cats at 7 months old just look on facebook and that's all the proof I need. It must be nice having these hounds bought for you that way you can get on this website and post things like you have actually done something for the sport. No seriously Sean you should stick your head in a car door and slam it.

this post is a little old and has some mixed opinions on it I thought i would add mine to the mix. texas west that is, they Run cats but in the evenings. here we can only legally hunt daytime. I won't argue this next point unless your honest and have tried it in what ever area you hunt. hunting bobcats at night is much easier on the hounds then daytime. so hunting here is in the desert and much like texas has odd scenting conditions do to extreme thermal activity. variances in hi-low temps of over thirty degrees. we have to catch them in the morning before the scent changes to much or disappears. side note here. a lion scent made at the same time as a bobcat scent handles the changes way better and doesn't age as quickly. IMO so you can jump a cat or trail one both low odds of happening often most of the year.

that was just some comparison and back ground here is my actual contention. heat is a real force to deal with here, even lion hounds bred,born,raised here have to be watched over in the lower elevations. most of the bobcats are down low. while some lion hounds are fast in comparison to others they do pace themselves unless nipping at a lions tail. a running bred cat dog is fast and moves like that as a matter of nature. I doubt any could handle a hour race at that speed in southern az after nine in the morning. you would be asking for a hound with heat stroke. I try and work my hounds at speed if I am roading them but carry water and IV's all the time.

If you think this is a attack on your hounds it is not meant to be. I know mine couldn't shine like yours in most of these areas but here they can manage it with out killing themselves or baking their brains.
the quail hunters realized this too those big running english pointers can only be put down in rotation and in the cool months. give them a hot day and they dry out over heat and run right through coveys never knowing they are there. bring in a slower working bird dog and the change is remarkable. they can hunt most of the day with a few rests and water . it's the same with all animals. certain extremes have to be conceded to. stock dogs have the same response to the weather. they work mostly by sight so the loss of scenting ability isn't as damaging but the excessive heat is.
there are days that you could work like the running dogs do but not all and believe me it only takes one bad case of heat stroke or dehydration to ruin a hound. some come back but others never really do.
Comparing hounds in one county or similar region makes sense and should be done if you want to improve what you run.
I admit I look at some hounds from other areas and wonder if they would be better and I've been known to import a few to see but usually the outcome is predictable you can hunt them smarter and go up in elevation to cooler moisture areas or the east/north canyons and they do well but that isn't coming in here and working out like they would have at home. or hunt the cooler months.

long post and I didn't manage to say anything just my take on this area. I do like to see the honest differences between regions and there effects though.