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Re: False Tree
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:06 pm
by fallriverwalker1
love how it was always a walker that false treed lol hey guys those are all good excuses but i tell you i've caught a couple of bears in my 35 yrs ive seen this a few times usually it was because the dog got to close and didnt have the nerve to stay in the fight so it bought a tree to be safe .you cant fix this not all dogs make bear dogs and i dont mean those bears that climb ,anybody can catch those i mean the tough ones ' slick treeing is a fault it cant be fixed ,but if there were that many great dogs out there all the game would be gone '
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Re: False Tree
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:22 pm
by Nolte
Well, I don't have any ground breaking ideas that haven't been mentioned but one thing I try not to do much is speculate what happened. The possibilities are nearly endless and the more I do this, the stranger the things I see which creates even more possibilities.
I'd first start off with figuring out everything you KNOW 100% certain then build off of that. All my hunts are mysteries until I either see the critter or the track, and I'd much rather prefer the critter.
In this case, did you have an actual bear track or a was it just a blind strike. If it was a track and you thought they were heating it up, did you actually see the bear with the dogs in hot pursuit. I have had times (in fact just last night) where the dogs struck, run good and then the track just seemed to peter out. The dogs will get hung up in a spot and might act like they are trying to locate near a tree. What I think is the case is they took the track backwards to an area where the bear was up a tree eating/sleeping doing whatever.
I wouldn't worry too much if it's a bunch of young dogs that are messing up. Most young dogs (especially ones without guidance) will screw up a pile, but it's more important that you can see the raw tools in there to refine.
I have seen times where an old dog behind will catch up to a bailed tree and just lock on. And it seems with me that when this happens my rum-dum pups will suck back into it and wonder where all the action is. But that is pups, they have a propensity to always be sucked into the wrong (or not right) situation more often than not. You got 9 dogs out just cranking and the pup will find the 1 that isn't hooked up and is out dicking off.
Re: False Tree
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:18 pm
by kordog
a good dog will know the difference and not fall for what some knuckleheads are doing
Re: False Tree
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:01 pm
by wanchese
Ankle Express wrote:A lot of times a bear will walk up on a tree to listen or check the wind, then gone again. This could have caused the empty tree.
Somebody with some sense and experience. Not surprised in the slightest we are on the same side of the big river Hi-Tech! Slick trees and pulling up short are two completely different animals for one. I could go on and on about this but if you've never seen or realized how much or how many bear use their hearing, nose or whatever else they can come up with to stay in front of dogs you don't really have much experience or you got the most inexperienced, never seen a dog, easy bears anywhere. Bears around here are capable of anything. Have you never seen a bear take one dog and drag it around from point a to point b and c and then d all the while the calvary runs their hearts and guts out wide open playing catch up only to eventually be ran out and never catch up to the bear or one dog? Dog one stays longer than all the rest but it moved with the bear. Calvary was killed by never stopping for a breather at a,b,c or d. I guess some bear can get lucky once and pull that off. Dogs could just be behind and that happen. However I've seen some that will purposely listen and not let that second, third, first or fifteenth dog ever catch up to it. Killed a few of them and thats exactly what it took to eventually do it. I know of alot of bear that won't/didn't go any further than they had to, don't/didn't run any harder than they had to and made dogs work to catch up. However they do it they will listen back at the approaching dogs. Alot of bear will mark, tap, jump up or whatever you want to call it to a tree and listen back. I’ve actually seen it happen. Its just what they do to try to stay ahead of the dogs. Some bear get good at it and can get away at will. We like to say we got out ran but in fact you just got abused most likely. The coon reference ties to this because a lot of folks use coons and or coonhunting to start their dogs. Me too. However it can bite you in the butt so to speak if dogs are taking the first track up. Multiple coons on track dog trees first one up. This can be inherited or learned. Learned you can fix. Ideally for bears and biggame we want the dogs that naturally takes the last track and trees it. Most natural skill set available for big game if they can pick up their head and run. We don’t usually know what we are re-enforcing in pups heads in these situations coonhunting. They accidentally learn it sometimes and you can accidentally fix it in the right situation is all I was saying. It will show up sometimes when dog(s) are pulling up short on bears. If they learned it, then its not completely their fault. JMO
i dont him, but this guy right here knows what he is talking about. i agree 100% with everything he said