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Some good comments on this post a lot of hound wisdom. I have only had a handful of dogs that actually came from Del himself. I crossed some of them on an excellent old lion dog reg. bluetick from Clell Lee's old Battler dog and ended up with blueticks and that is about all. There has to be some terrific dogs coming from this line because people line up on a waiting list to get them like robin chicks waiting for Mom to bring an earthworm home to the nest.

I have several very fine hound buddys that have them and they will tell you they are very good snow lion dogs, also pretty tuff bear dogs. Most a little grouchy at times and that goes all the way back to Vaughn's Blue Jack who produced a lot of this but was one hell of a cooner.I think if you like a dog you will stay with him hunt him hard and make some kind of a hound out of most of them. My first good hound was a Vaughn bred bluetick and he spoiled me forever, and also I have never had another one (bluetick) to match him and I have owned over 400 hounds.

Our man Spanky has proven his walker dogs and he is still hunting hard and if I was looking for a big game dog up there in the Del country I would be be running Spanky down rather than getting in the fast food long lane at the Cameron blue burger factory.

It really doesn't matter to me because I know regardless of what Houndawg tells you my dogs can catch more Boone and Crockett elk than his can. Moose? well I have to differ to him on this . but he has offered to work a pup or two for me on moose and see if he can get them going so when I head up to Wyoming or Idaho I won't look a fool. What a friend!


Why mess with small game, let's catch something REALLY big! LOL!

Thanks Mike for the kind words...as for my hounds I am only conitnueing what others had already developed, just trying to concentrate on the nose alittle more for my needs

There are lots of good advice on Cameron hounds on this post, I would agree with most and i have Cameron hounds. I would dissagree with not catching bobcats, at least in southern British Columbia. I would also like to comment on the size thing and speed. I had a hound Duke whom weighted at least 100# he was from Bart Lancasters breeding and he was a very good bobcat dog. His best asset was his abillity to locaste.

Size as you mentioned is not really relative to track speed if the hound can get around. My largest ever hound Big John was also the fastest track dog I have seen when he was in his prime, and he was good on bobcat not just because of his speed it was his uncanny locate and smarts. A big old low slung dog usually has a hard time getting thru deep snow and tangle brush or ledges and bluffs. My largest dog now again is my fastest. But I won't keep or breed to a slow track dog or a ponderous mover. I like a lot of leg on a dog but he has to be able to use his nose with his brain and then get those feet to moving.

I run a cameron bred female. She's 55 lbs. Very good nose with good track speed.

Brian

Brains help a ton I try to run fox. sometimes brains will get a dog throwd out of a race.But brains and nose should help.
My dumb opinion
Matt

I have 3 cameron hound between 2 and 3 years old they do very well on bear/coon but the reason I got them is for cat hunting. One out of the 3 is a terror on bobcats but the other 2 don't have much interest? I also have a Uchman dog that loves cats and thats all he wants to hunt. But as far a Cameron dogs I'm not that impressed for cats but they do very well on bear/coon. Aaron

If you are collecting info for a poll on Cameron hounds, I will give you one more bit of data. I have hunted extensively with one Cameron male that cost a lot of money and was supposed to be the real deal. For bobcat, it was a complete cull. I cant see how it would have been much good for anything else either.

I know it is the fool who judges a line of dogs by one dog. That's me. The Fool. I will never willingly get involved with another Cameron hound. There are too many other great dogs out there which have proven themselves with a very high reproductive percentage. If Cameron hounds were the only dogs to choose from, then I would keep trying. If the feedback I heard on them for bobcat was largely positive, then I would keep trying. If the lottery was the only possible way to make money and have a possibility of providing for my family, then I would keep trying it.

Call me a bigot, cause I guess I am one, but I will shoot as streight as I can from what I have seen (and there are things I have not seen). I will do that for you Live2hunt, because I wish more people had done that with me. You cant really know everything about a dog in a couple areas until the dog is well into it's second year. You cant know some things, like longevity for example, until the dog gets too old to hunt effectively any more. Other structural, and attitude problems might not show up till later either. Life is a lot shorter than young men think it is, and in just a few generations of dog, you are an old man. You can spend half that time wasted on dogs that people could have just told you "they cant get the job done" and could have saved you several years of finding that out for yourself. Those are very, very expensive years.

You asked about big game, and specifically lion. There are alot of dogs that can catch you big game and especially lion. If you have any interest in bobcat though, and you want to stick with pure bred hounds, If I have seen 100 good bobcat _Hounds_ THAT COULD CATCH THEIR OWN BOBCAT ALONE, 97 of them were walkers. There are walkers that can catch bear as well, and there are dogs in every breed, including a collie, that can catch a lion in fresh snow.

I am sure I have made some folks angry. No one likes a dog bigot, but if I can save you even one year of stumbling around, it is worth it to me.

I wish i had never made the flying leap straight onto the top of that bandwagon. 5 years latter and basically starting over with plain old crossed up hounds.

Boozer wrote:I know of lots of guys that run camerons and for the most part they are a good lion dog if you get the right breeding but every cameron i ever ran with or heard about just gets smoked by the good ol blood breeding of the walkers. I haven't seen a cameron put a bobcat up the tree by itself that i have hunted with yet. Most the walkers i have run with are faster and have a little more grit then the camerons but that is just my two cents. You will have guys that lean more on the Camerons side and you will have guys that lean more on the Walkers side. I have personally owned both and i have a cameron pup from jim harrell right now and my walker pups just have come along alot faster then the cameron pup. Good luck on the feed back of this one.

Your kind of a cocky young fella, well you have a lot to learn about houndsmen and hounds in general. Well once you get a little sand under your butt you'll understand respect. I've hunted the Smokey River breeding for over 20 years and I've caught lions, bobcats, coons and bears consistantly over the years. I've never claimed to have the best hounds or the worst, but they are track to tree hounds. Just remember that there good hounds in every breed.

I'm not offended in way, but I feel at this stage in life I'm in the advice giving stage. My father always told me to engage my mind before I engage my mouth.


Terry L. Zink

I believe this post asks for everyones thought on cameron dog and if there is a better breed in thier opinion. Boozer was just stating what his thoughts are, I dont know him from Adam and he may be young but that doesnt make him hound stupid or cocky, he sounds like he is a true cat hunter and that is great. I myself have had hounds for over 25 yrs and dont claim to have the best bobcat dogs but sure seem to always have a couple dogs that will tree a bobcat with style and I have seen alot of so called TOP CAT dogs that couldnt catch the neighbors house cat. I personally am not knocking cameron dogs but on my post earlier i was telling my opinion of what i have seen of cameron dogs and it wasnt real GREAT i believe that is what Boozer was saying also its just our 2 cents.

like I said I wasn't trying to offend anyone or anyones 25 years, just trying to give a little sound advice on bragging.

Well thanks Twist. Terry i know who you are and i know what your dogs can do. I have hunted with dogs that came directly from you and i wasn't trying to knock the cameron breed or your blue tick breed. I might be young but i am not dumb. I have been hunting lion since i was 12 years old and i love the sport and will probablly hunt lion till i fall over in my grave. I have hunted with the best of houndsmen and learned a lot on the way most of the guys i used to hunt with no longer can make it up the mountain with me anymore cause of old age. I hunt with an old man not gonna mention any names but i have learned a lot from him over the years and its like he always told me its not the dog in the fight its the fight in the dog. If a dog is gonna be a good lion and bobcat dog it has to have heart and that drive to do what he was breed to do. And i have found that in my walker breed. Not saying that Camerons dont have that fight but i have had a lot better luck with my walkers. I have a young little cameron hound and i have had more in the past but just my 2 cents is that if your looking for a well rounded bobcat and lion dog i prefer the walker breed. I know who LIV2HUNT is and he was just asking everybodies opinion and thats what i gave him. So Terry i am not a cocky little fella just giving my opinion on the matter. I am not a bragger and don't like to brag and i have a lot of respect for true houndsmen, but it is the hounsmen that put people down and say disturbing things about others that they dont even know i dont have any respect for, just love the sport and enjoy talking to all the people on here that enjoy the sport just as much as i do. Thanks for the comment and i hope i changed your opinion on what ya think about me Terry.

Boozer very well said, I see what you are saying I will say the same thing I have had all types of hounds I have one smokey river bluetick as we speak I have had 2 other cameron hounds and out of all these dogs I dont pefer the cameron breed Boozer pefers the walker john doe perfers the b&t Tom doe pefers the plott I think everybody has there own favorites and opionions. I think that they devolope these favorites by which dog or breed performs the best for them. I have a walker that is awsome has yet to fell me (knock on wood) and a bluetick not the smokey river either I have had good luck with them so what do I pefer walkers and blueticks. I have had bad luck with camerons and smoky river breeds the for I will tell people what I southy think of smokey and cameron breeds and that is what boozer is saying....

Listen, I'll say I don't know you and I'm not talking or saying anything bad in a sense, but in general. I tell everyone that is young ( young in general) and fairly new to the sport don't get a big head. That is what I'm trying to say to you and you can ask anyone that knows me, I'm full of advice, now does that make sense to you. So, I'm sorry if I offended you, Boozer. I too have had every hound breed, I just prefer Bluetick.


Terry