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Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:20 am
by BEAR HUNTER
Did some initial research. It seems the states that are making arrest are misinterpreting a wiretapping law. These states have a law that requires 2 party consent which means the people being video taped have to agree to it. The way the law is written is very vague so that is why they are so far able to make the arrest. The other part is the voices have to be recorded. It doesnt appear that the video portion is illegal, only the verbal recording. It is something that definetly needs to be addressed.

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:45 am
by fallriverwalker1
well here we go again shawn got my son looking into all of this crap his inital intrest was law enforcement , he's ben through post training but now he's decided to go to law school and become an attorney he say's enough is enough this should be fun . when you get our age all we can do is live vicasously through our kid's , gaurantee you one thing .i dont need much help getting into trouble jim

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:35 am
by livetohunt
fallriverwalker1 thats great hope he does it, it will be nice to have some more with power on our side in these fights.

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:44 am
by BEAR HUNTER
Jim I have seriously thought about it but I'm to old for school now. Tried taking some college classes. I couldnt put up with the liberal teachers.

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:16 am
by bigboarstopper
I talked to a firefighter buddy yesterday about my ordeal. He saw one of the sheriff deputies at a medical call he responded to. He asked if he had stopped any poachers or hunters lately and he said that he stopped one person yesterday (me) and that I was uncooperative. He also said that I called the sheriffs department and made a complaint. He mentioned that he was really pissed off about it.

One little thing I want to ad. I was pulled over by King city PD in the exact intersection 6 months ago. The officer saw that I was dressed for hunting and asked if I had any weapons in the vehicle. I told him the truth. I wasnt really sure what was in my back seat. I had been hunting every other day for a week and the pile of crap in the back seat was huge. He asked for officer safety if I would step out of the vehicle. I did. He asked me if he could take a quick look inside the vehicle. He was polite and since I gave him a very vague answer to the question of weapons I consented. He gave a quick look and found nothing.

After he was finished he told me I needed to slow down a bit and had a nice breif conversation about hunting. The officer and his back up officer both shook my hand and thanked me for being honest about a possible weapon in the vehicle (there was none).

Later that day I called the king city PD and spoke with the watch commander. I told him about the situation and how the officers seemed to have a genuine consern for officer safety when they pulled me over yet they showed significant respect twards me for my honesty. I let the watch commander know that I walked away from the incident with a positive attitude twards the officers and the officers involved were responsible for it. He thanked me for my call saying that compliments are rare and that the officers involved in that stop will have my comments noted into their personel jacket.

I guess what im trying to say is that im not a complete jerk. I dont assume that police/sheriffs or even wardens are ALL assholes. I start with respect. Cause thats what I expect in return. But when I dont get respect when I give it then I return whatever is offered to me.

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:53 pm
by Kevin D
You realize, of course boarstopper, that anytime you refuse a search you are going to get a ticket?? You may be within your rights refusing a search, but at the same time, the cop is within his rights in issuing you a citation for whatever reason it was he stopped you for in the first place. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, I'm just saying that how the world works.

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:29 pm
by LDcloud
So if an officer asks me if i have a gun in my rig and i say yes. He or she has PC to search my truck even if i say no ?

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:28 pm
by BEAR HUNTER
In short yes he does. The courts have ruled funny things about vehicles because they are mobile. You dont even have to have a gun. If you have ammo in the vehicle or the officer sees a gun case its enough reasonable suspicion that there is a gun in the car. Similiar to the officer walking up and smelling an odor of marijuana coming from the car. He can then toss your car. One thing to keep in mind though, cops are cops and are not "trying to violate your rights" they are trying to catch bad guys. The problem comes when they start taking short cuts. They dont look up codes and case law themselves they just ask another cop who didnt look it up themselves either was just told they could do it.

Boarstopper. You handled the PD stop exactly right. I hope when you complained about the S.O. you were specific in you rights that were violated. Its been my experience the S.O's operate more on the good ol boy system and complaints rarely result in more than "hey this jack ass called in a complaint on you and now I got to ask you about it".

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:35 pm
by Caincando1
George Streepy wrote:Here is a link to an article that talks about it.

http://www.videomaker.com/community/vid ... -a-felony/

A few months ago there were several incidents where the Seattle Police were video taped. One being a jay walker who ended up getting punched by the police officer. That is when the news was reporting that taping an officer without their consent could land you in jail. I don't really know, but it seems like filming an officer may be a bad idea, you might get in more trouble for that. :D :D


It seems like every day I lose a little more faith in humanity...

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:59 am
by muck
get out of california thats the best advice there is

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:48 am
by dwa
Sounds like you need something like this http://www.buy.com/prod/4gb-usb-digital ... 98996.html

I dont really see your complaint going very far, the deputies will just say it was different.

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:00 am
by BEAR HUNTER
Its kind of funny. Maybe cause Ca is so full of liberal but video taping/recording someone in PUBLIC is perfectly legal. Go figure, Ca would have something right.

Re: Wardens an the Sheriffs are one in the same

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:01 am
by deerhuntertoday
im in ohio but i thought hogs were open season EVERYWHERE i dont know for sure.According to what i see on tv the game departments want them killed on sight trapped or anyway they can be destroyed.correct me if im wrong but that is what i thaught