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I have hunted with some swampland dogs that had a very cold nose but could still move a track fast. We used them on bear, bobcats and lion.

I hunt a mixed line registered, with a decent shot of Swampland, and Bluff creek. I also have a bitch from Steve Herd's yard. I think there are some cold nosed dogs to be found, but a higher percentage is found in the BluffCreek dogs, from MY experience alone.

I have seen cold nosed plotts out of a bunch of lines, including pocahontas, dollins, sizzlin heat, bluff creek, bearpath.

I feel it all depends on the hound not the line.

Lion hunter , yes it is the hound but I promise you there are some lines that have higher averages than others. They all can produce the goods just as well as the culls . But look at averages and there is a definate difference . These things do not come by accident a "cold nose " is not natural in mother nature it is something that has to be bred for and will be lost if not purposefully bred for and evaulated for.

Smiley, yes you are right about cold nose beeing breed into them, but what I ment to say was there are hot & cold nose's breed into most line's, and you have to research the hound in the line to get the cold nose. if that makes sence.

Makes lotsa to me.

I've got a shamrock/weems bred female she's real cold nosed. Some friends of mine have bred stuff out of Don Kamphaus's line for years and they tend to do well on older tracks as well.

I grew up around some Pioneer plotts out of Thundering Echo and they were good coldnosed dogs Dollins dogs came from the same foundation stock, so they might be a good place to look.

Remember that a 10 hr old , bear or lion track
is a lot different than a 10 hr old bobcat track.
Most dogs that can run an old bear track won,t even know that a
bobcat was there hrs after the bear left.
I think the real test of cold nose is on bobcats on dry ground.
A dog that can cold trail a bobcat for a while then get him jumped is a true cold nosed dog.
just my 2 cents worth.

Gamegetter wrote:If you want a Plott with a super nose I wouldn't look pass the Pocahontas line for a second. I've got two males that are Pocahontas and they strike a bear off the rig really well. Ones a lil' over 3 years old and the other is 2.5. Great noses. Can't ask for much better......Perkey

Yep today in time its poccohannuse plott from w.va. and back in the day it was the Smithdeal line of Plott and Argo 1 & 11 line of bear howllow plotts .Not too say other lines couldn`t produce a extra cold noised plott dog, just saying them mentioned was in my view as close as ya get too the real deal nuff said plott hound . Dale screwed it up makeing coon dogs for the point hunts out of old Drum and Tom Tom and an extra cold nose wasent needed for point hunts, I believe he was honest cause he wrote a long artical on Smithdeal Negger and what contrabution the Smithdeal line was too the beginnings of UKC regestry of plott hounds. I believe it was pretty much accepted in the Von Plott falmily that Smithdeal was the foundation stock/ Bear howllow Argo line was out crossed and brought big houndy plott line back later on.

Hipshooter wrote:Remember that a 10 hr old , bear or lion track
is a lot different than a 10 hr old bobcat track.
Most dogs that can run an old bear track won,t even know that a
bobcat was there hrs after the bear left.
I think the real test of cold nose is on bobcats on dry ground.
A dog that can cold trail a bobcat for a while then get him jumped is a true cold nosed dog.
just my 2 cents worth.

If thats true and it maybe close too true enoughfsaid/ then Iskmo Kidd cat dogs was the small but gritty and fast and extra cold nosed did it on dirt,rocks,snow,swamp anyweres a hound has ever proven bobcat can successfully be treed up ! I owned a pair of em and they had streight chop mouths/started as babys no help but them selves and did it all ! They wasent coon dogs but they was cat dogs !

This is an old post but I had a plott from Greenville Backs Montana Scout breeding that could grub an old lion track on dry ground and move it-cold cold nosed dog smart too.Best lion dog I ever saw.

Ive got a full bred pocohantas plott and hes strikin bear that i cant even run when i put my other dogs on the ground

Cascade in my opinion but there are a lot I have not hunted with.
There are not a lot of them around anymore. I lost a good one this weekend.

Sorry to hear about your loss Cris.