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I do not see you throwing a fit when other people post peoples names on this website whether they are mentioning something bad or good. I deleted the phone number and I did not post his wherabouts I posted his where has beens. The way I see it is you are just defending a kitten killer. Its funny this website mentions how we are a bunch of tough guys with grit blah blah blah.. But all I have seen is a bunch of whineing and complaining from a group of nancys. Then when I come in and says hey this is going on we need to call these guys out, you tell me im being bad and I need to call the Fish cops... hypocrit

Big Horn Posse - you just gave me a great idea. Since you repeatedly mention letting the law handle it, you gave me a thought.

The "law" has a thing called the "registered sex offender list" and it is public information (address, name, picture, etc.) posted on the internet.

Maybe we could have the "registered female/kitten killer list." Personally I think this is a good idea. Thanks for your thoughts.

As soon as this list is up and running, I am sure all true houndsmen would have a few names to add to the list.

Ya I have only been doing this for 1 year, but in one year I have already learned that killing females/kittens is bad. You have been doing this for 20? 30? and you have not learned that lesson yet. If you dont like being called out then straighten your act up....

you guys seem to forget who has the tag in their pocket, me or the hunter, and who makes the decision to take the cat. I have talked far more hunters out of taking females this year than you can imagine. I had one hunter walk away from 5 cats to kill a nice tom after 11 days. If I had no scruples that hunt would have been done in 1 day. You guys just get upset you can't waltz out on a saturday morning and catch a cat the first 2 miles. Turn the computer off, get out there and hunt.

I don't post on here much just listen but I've hunted lions for somewhere around twenty five years in the bighorn mountain guided legally for much of that and never let anyone much less myself shoot a female and I've been responsible for a lot of dead lions! Female lions are not trophyies and should not be taken unless human life is at risk or there pure white or some other freak like that. There are some that hunt our mountain that kill what ever they tree for a hunter and have them kill it whether it's 60 pounds or 150 pounds most can't tell the differants they look for a spot or what ever they think will convince them it's a tom. A mature tom isn't that hard to tell and if it's iffy to wether it is or not then don't shoot it it's that easy. It's not a trophy at that point and if you can't tell the too apart then you shouldn't be taking hunters.
I say call them out on it if there's nothing wrong with it in there opinion then they have nothing to fear. Just because it's Leagll doesn't make it right! And with enough pressure maybe next time they'll at least think twice before pounding on there chest as a mighty lion slayer. If they only knew how many mature toms that female would've brought in over the course of just one season. The only problem with this statement is someone is going to kill females and could care less what other think or even get offended by someone calling them out! So to all you houndsmen happy hunting and those That kill females I hope ur proud of yourself!

Just out of curiosity, what was your purpose of posting the guy's name and phone number? Were you hoping the rest of us would call and give him grief him about maybe shooting females?

Ken

go ahead and add me and every other guide on here to your registry. I feel the same as every other houndsman about the killing of females, and I try to discourage my clients from killing them, but they have the tag and the gun, they don't know the difference between an 80 lb female or a booner tom. they spend alot of money to come out here and don't want to go home empty. I charge the same kill or no kill and I try not to even turn out on a female when I have a client, but they don't take too kindly to ya driving past runnable tracks all day. I did get lucky with clients this year that wanted tom only. true hunters they were and passed on some females day after day. it paid off for them in the end too they all got nice toms. but clients like that are far and few between. The only reason I guide is to make a little money to feed my youngins and help pay for the hobby. construction gets pretty slow during lion season so it works perfect for me. if I was rich I dam sure wouldn't parade these flatlanders around and shoot myself in the foot by eliminating the one animal that I love to hunt above all. until they outlaw shooting females and outfitting this debate will go nowhere. on a posative note, I have seen some pretty bad overkills since I have had dogs and it seems like they always bounce back the next year to get overharvested. I hope the units I hunt never hit the lows that some of your units have the last few years. I'm sure if they do I will have to look for another line of work. so far the populations have remained stable where I hunt, but the average age of the cats is gettin younger. I hope that's not a sign that were right behind you guys. I'm sure I'll take a lot of critisism for this post, but most of the anti female killers on here have more blood on their hands than I do.

houndnem you said it exactly. We get tarred and feathered when a hunter makes the decision to kill a female. I have talked far more guys out of killing a female this year than timothy can ever imagine. This is exactly why I don't mess with these forums because everybody is pretty ballsy sitting behind the computer. I'll make sure I post everytime you make a decision I don't like. Grow up

bluewalkerlionhound wrote:call em all out!!!! Tessa was it a female or not?
Rigit was it a female or not? lol

Man bluewalkerlionhound you know em all and then some! What else you got? Any great dog tradin or sellin stories latley?
Houndem you make a good point I have heard of outfitters that have there own requirements that are told to the clients before they come or pay like they only harvest toms. Not sayin this is good for business but its somethin to think about.

houndnem wrote:go ahead and add me and every other guide on here to your registry. I feel the same as every other houndsman about the killing of females, and I try to discourage my clients from killing them, but they have the tag and the gun, they don't know the difference between an 80 lb female or a booner tom. they spend alot of money to come out here and don't want to go home empty. I charge the same kill or no kill and I try not to even turn out on a female when I have a client, but they don't take too kindly to ya driving past runnable tracks all day. I did get lucky with clients this year that wanted tom only. true hunters they were and passed on some females day after day. it paid off for them in the end too they all got nice toms. but clients like that are far and few between. The only reason I guide is to make a little money to feed my youngins and help pay for the hobby. construction gets pretty slow during lion season so it works perfect for me. if I was rich I dam sure wouldn't parade these flatlanders around and shoot myself in the foot by eliminating the one animal that I love to hunt above all. until they outlaw shooting females and outfitting this debate will go nowhere. on a posative note, I have seen some pretty bad overkills since I have had dogs and it seems like they always bounce back the next year to get overharvested. I hope the units I hunt never hit the lows that some of your units have the last few years. I'm sure if they do I will have to look for another line of work. so far the populations have remained stable where I hunt, but the average age of the cats is gettin younger. I hope that's not a sign that were right behind you guys. I'm sure I'll take a lot of critisism for this post, but most of the anti female killers on here have more blood on their hands than I do.

Very well said and i will save you the trouble chase brown (575) 302 1636

I dont know any of you "guides" so take it for what its worth, but I am pretty sure that plenty of us can go take the tests, get our guiding/outfitting license, sell a few guys a hunt, load up some dogs and kill a few females and claim its in the interest of "family, dog food, bad economy, no winter work" or whatever else you want to call it. I see it a lot different, its a selfish short sighted man that cant say "I love this, I want my kids to love this, and his kids to love this, I'll pick up some winter work that doesn't harm the lifestyle that I love "year after year(with this being the worst) I get a gut full of guides and outfitters let alone Don Peay, SFW, DWR and all the others female slaying sob's. Quit the excuse making and call it the way it is, you value your own good times/extra hunting time over the conservation of OUR lion hunting heritage. I can assure you that we will all be chasing coyotes, talking about the good times until we ALL start saying ENOUGH. I'm not about to start pointing fingers at individuals but I can agree with houndem on one thing -that all so called Utah outfitters are guilty as hell-Its pathetic and its embarrassing, if you cant even educate a hunter riding around with you for days hoping to cut a track what chance do we have of stopping the deer hunters from screaming about needing to kill more lions.


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Looks like snow tomorrow, harvest objective units are open- KILL EM ALL boys, lets get this pathetic "I'm a guide" shit over with!!!

I'm a pretty strong advocate for leaving the females alone, but i don't like seeing guides and outfitters picked on, apparently some here think they are better than others. Quite a judgemnet to pass saying find another job to conserve lions. How someone chooses too or does all he can to make a living is pretty personal stuff. i don't hear anybody bad mouthing the local mom and pop gas station owner for high gas prices, everybody is just trying to get by the best they can, you can't pass an immature judgement for that. Its a judgement call for each guy in each area, some places can handle some female harvest and some can't. I will be booking lion hunts for the first time this coming season, and expect a female or two will get killed, and I'm ok with that, its gonna be in places that can bounce back. Houndnem had a pretty valid point and point of view I think. Maybe alot of you guys are just too lazy and want an easy track every day, sure it would be nice, but not realistic in any hunting circumstance very often. I don't think its a good practice to dump out every female that trees by any means, everything in moderation. Man has literally tried to make the lion extinct without success, keep that in mind and read Harley Shaw's book, "A Soul Among Lions" it'll calm ya down a little and give a different perspective on harvest.

You can puss out and blame it on your hunter all you want, but at the end of the day YOU are the one whoe dumped on a female track not the hunter.

timothy wrote:You can puss out and blame it on your hunter all you want, but at the end of the day YOU are the one whoe dumped on a female track not the hunter.

like I said, your not gona sell to many hunts when your driving past runnable tracks and sending them home empty handed. and when the stable lion populations where I hunt decline to unstable I won't be guiding there anymore. what you've got to understand these units have been taking a pounding since before I had my dogs, and still we find a track almost every time we go out. so I haven't hit the state of alarm that you are at yet. there are still alot of tags left on a lot of units. My prediction is that most of them will not even fill up this year. I hope I'm right.

go ahead and add me and every other guide on here to your registry

Speak for yourself houndnem. I'm an outfitter and I do not allow clients to take females, PERIOD. I could, I simply choose not to. My hunters know this before they come. Lion studies have shown that anywhere from 75% to 90% of females have kittens or are pregnant. I don't see how anyone that truly loves running cats with dogs can justify killing them.