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If your plotts are ten feet back from the bear you need better plotts

if dobermans were so good eveyone would have them!

jeffbearhunter wrote:if dobermans were so good eveyone would have them!

true that
my cross was better than her mom but they are both anomolies to the breed.
if you just need something to toughen up your hounds, find a GOOD bulldog and breed to it. keep the pups than can be broke off fighting each other. then breed the best of that back to hounds and keep breeding the bull down. try to keep a line that is between 1/8-1/32 bulldog. there was an old fella in NC that did that w/ his redbones and his dog could flat put a bear up a tree. but he also kept pure redbones alongside his crossed dogs.
you can also find hound or cur X bulldogs from hog doggers. the shipping will cost more than the pups. if you need speed & heat get greyXbull pups.

it would be nice if you could go to the animal shelters and try out a bunch of dogs with no strings atatched . probably be surprised at what you could come up with for a dog to bite a bear if you had that kind of access.

Pops wrote:if you just need something to toughen up your hounds, find a GOOD bulldog and breed to it. keep the pups than can be broke off fighting each other. then breed the best of that back to hounds and keep breeding the bull down. try to keep a line that is between 1/8-1/32 bulldog.

Back in the 1800's a British greyhound breeer did exactly the same thing with his line of racing greyhounds.

So succesfull was the results, they say all modern registered racing greyhounds go back to those lines..

kordog wrote:it would be nice if you could go to the animal shelters and try out a bunch of dogs with no strings atatched . probably be surprised at what you could come up with for a dog to bite a bear if you had that kind of access.

If forget the name of the big game hunter, but thats exactly how he got his lion hounds...Periodically he would go to the dog pound in Nairobi, Kenya, and take any likely looking dog...Apparently he had such a high turn over of dogs, getting anything too specialised was a waste of time...

kordog wrote:it would be nice if you could go to the animal shelters and try out a bunch of dogs with no strings atatched . probably be surprised at what you could come up with for a dog to bite a bear if you had that kind of access.

You can do that here. It's called a 30 day foster.

Why try and reinvent the wheel?

why not? may be we need a better hunting dog with more blood from others breeds like terriers may be more german blood. not the first time in history the man improve the dogs.

In my country Venezuela we mix hound with dogo or pits to hunt jabalina and the mix work pretty good, in argentina they mix dogo with grey hound to improve speed and work pretty well, same in australia, we need make a dog who adjust each hunting style and need

hammerinplott wrote:If your plotts are ten feet back from the bear you need better plotts

only problem is I seen tons of video and pics of these dogs gnawin on bears asses and hanging off their asses while the bear is trying to climb. they just wont do it for me down here. if you ever want to come and try your luck out here, come on out. I'd love to have ya. always open to learn from guys who are gettin er done. it's a win win for me. if ya get your butt kicked I get to watch you tuck your tail and go home. if you tree a bunch of bears, that's great too maybe my shit eaters will learn a few things from your plotts. I know these bears or the terrain or something is different down here. I have buddies that cant catch down here that run up to san juan or lasals and tree the crap out of them. the other half of the problem is I can't get these dogs to locate very good when they do tree. they can tell me a bobcat is fifty feet up a pine, but they can be right on a bears ass when it trees and run around puzzled like where did he go? I'm probably just bein hard on the dogs, cuz we did tree 5, and for cedar mountain spring that really aint bad. but we coulda treed 20 if the dogs woulda bit the mean ones up a tree. I appreciate all of you guys input, Jared.

My family raised dobies for 20 years in the 60's and 70's and sold them to the military and were great dogs. However, look at all the police and military working K-9 groups today and you will rarely see a dobie or a rottie in the mix. Popularity and the U.S influence ruined another great breed (bigger, different colors ect). I'm no expert but have treed a few bears and have video of dogs stretching full grown ones but there is always a cost and in my humble opinion I would rather leave a few for seed, then bury my good dogs. You have posted a ton of great pics and if you want to get rid of some those cowards let me know:)

Just my two cents
Bruce

i think maybe your missing that one good sticker that makes the rest stick . i dont think that dog is easy to come by when you find it the rest will stay . the dog that is quiting first needs to be left home as that dog is not helping instill courage in your pack.you can go through alot of plotts just as well as any hound breed to find dogs of the caliber your looking for . this is only an opinion ,and one that im not trying to stir anybody up over ,but the dogs that prove their beardogs in the thick part of the country show that they really have some sticking power like carolina where the bears are run alot making them bad bears like your talking about ,but the terrain is so thick . i guess what im trying to say is dogs can work bear alot easier ,and look good in some of the more open terrained states,but if you threw them in the thick crap of say carolina alot wouldnt cut it.theres a guy that comes up to maine from carolinas his dogs have all kinds of stick ,but they were lacking speed .which wasnt necessary down there . he is adding speed to hunt other places . its about finding the right dogs for the job at hand no matter where you hunt.hope i didnt offend anyone with this statement as that was not my intention.i dont know justin king of carolina ,but i bet he could hook you up on the right kind of dog as thats wear he does his training .facility.

Jared if it was realistic but your a tad west for me to come play get a hold of Dennis Fisher and Steve Mohr. I still just run sorry coon chasers I will find out if they can handle these michigan maulers this summer. I know they both will slam a big coon and win that fight solo and he made a mess of a hogs face one night pm me your number and we can talk a bit sometime
Tony

Dobermans are not terriors and I wouldn't use one there breeding is of a guard dog not a hunter.

Pete E wrote:

Pops wrote:if you just need something to toughen up your hounds, find a GOOD bulldog and breed to it. keep the pups than can be broke off fighting each other. then breed the best of that back to hounds and keep breeding the bull down. try to keep a line that is between 1/8-1/32 bulldog.

Back in the 1800's a British greyhound breeer did exactly the same thing with his line of racing greyhounds.

So succesfull was the results, they say all modern registered racing greyhounds go back to those lines..

are you referring to lord oroford in the 1600s?
you don't have to go that far back. the cunningham line of greys in the USA had game bulldog blood added. the line has mostly died out but some people still have a trickle of it in their dogs. most dogs w/ any of that blood are reputed to be good coyote killers.

RedNights wrote:Dobermans are not terriors and I wouldn't use one there breeding is of a guard dog not a hunter.

actually pinscher & schnauzer are german words for different styles of terriers. roughly but not exactly matching smooth & rough terriers in meaning.
given a chance, most any dog will hunt something even if it is just chasing squirrels & feild mice in the yard.