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I did not vote. I think that the problem with this country is our government when Our government votes on a health care passes by one vote, that 65% of the people oppose and congress pass without ever seeing it we have a problem from the top down. When one person does not call a vote in her committee and kills something that she knows will pass, we have a problem. When we have people like you and Jason thinking and saying what you do we as hound men have a real problem . How long have you been on this band wagon and how much difference has it made. We have no say in our government to change it with a revolution we all have to work with the system where it will do the most good. It is a no brainner to see what works and what does not work. 19 years at spinning our wheels or one year at almost making it. Are you guys doing this for yourself or are you doing this for hound hunting. Read read this post and take a good look at the positive movement that you have not caused.WE as hound men have cause our problems and I have seen no change. Dewey

Again, you say conform or lose and also say that we have failed for 19 yrs and that agents have been killing cougars all during that time. ???????? Again, you dodge every single question. Then, you say the problem is the system yet we need to work with the system? Have you been running for office because you sure act like a politician? Why wont you answer the questions directly asked of you? Heres another. How am I doing this for myself? Ive already stated that I am a bobcat hunter. Or is that just another tactic of yours? Avoid the fact that agents are acting selfishly and try to accuse us of doing the same. Please tell me how I stand to benefit any more than every other houndsman in Oregon by standing up for the issues Im standing for? Now, how about those out running cougars right now despite the fact that their actions actually prevent others from getting to do the same. Before you post, I am again asking you to answer questions and quit dodging them.

I would also like to ask why a complaint about elk damage is handled in steps yet a cougar or bear complaint goes straight to lethal control? If elk eat my garden Im told to build a better fence and then I would be given a hazing permit. Then, I may or may not get a kill permit yet one does not even have to prove damage before a kill permit for cougar is issued? Are cougars less of a game animal than elk? Why is a treed cougar not hazed and released?

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I am glad to see that you guys are trying to get your big game hunting back and you guys in Oregon should all be very grateful on all the effort that Mike Martell is putting into this. The biggest problem in the western states is that in many of the states laws can be changed in the elections by voter initiatives rather than let the legislature do the work. Many non hunters are very uneducated and are easily swayed by graphic adds paid for by the anti hunters. Most eastern states don't have this voter initiative method. I believe CA, WA, OR would still all have big game hunting if it wouldn't be for these voter initiatives. If you OR guys get your hunting back there will always be a threat that you guys will lose it again on another voter initiative bankrolled by millions of out of state dollars. Somehow these state constitutions need to be changed to keep this from happening.

Every time something like this comes up there are guys accusing other hound guys of causing the loss of rights because of illegal activities. Accusations like that always piss me off. I believe the rate of poaching is much higher among non hound hunters than hound hunters. I lot of these accusations are made without any facts by jealous people. Last December I got 4 bobcats which is the limit. I didn't get them dried quick enough for the Feb. NAFA auction, so in March before I sent them to the May Auction I took them plus my neighbors 3 bobcats to a local guy that bought furs and I wasn't happy with what he offered so I didn't sell them and sent them to the NAFA auction. Rumors started going around town that I was poaching bobcats though I never got questioned, probably because the local game warden tagged all of mine plus my neighbors bobcats. False accusations lobbed by hound hunters is what damages other hound hunters. If you accuse somebody of doing something illegal you better make sure there is convictable evidence or else you give us all a bad rap.

OK, Mike, here's my backbone. I'm calling BS on professional hunters, snaremen, ODFW, USDA, and any other snakes in the grass!! Dewey, I'm calling BS on you, saying houndhunters are the cause of us not having our hunting back!! It is insulting, inflammatory, and it is making me fightin' mad!! Dewey, I think your attitude is causing division!! How can you be a professional bobcat hunter and the vice president of the Oregon United Sporting Dog Association??!! ol Curt, give me a call sometime 5412585468 or 5415702863

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mike martell wrote:What we need is for those who understand the situation to tell the truth. It doesn't cost much to do so. OOC is our best hope but when you ask them about snares, hounds bear and cougar they don't have a clue. Millions of dollars worth of paper ads and advertising will change nothing...The truth revealed is free!

Mike i usually agree with you but not on the issue stated above. Public opinion is huge and affects every aspect of politics. The HSUS get millions and millions of dollars using puppys and kittens as advertisement propoganda, Why, Because it works. Have a couple well made comercials broadcasted and seen by oregonians showing the numbers and truth about what is happening to bears and lions with rank baits and snares and i believe that you will see public opinion turn more to your side, even the greenies and hippies. The more people that are educated about this type of hunting and oppose it will only help the force to get public hunting rights back. I honestly believe Ca should have done something like this. If your not exhausting every possible avenue to include advertisement to get what you want your probably going to lose.

I Dewdey really the VP of OUSDA? If so, I personally think that needs to change. How can we have someone representing us who is so openly in favor of government killing? Even by his admission we need unity and to have a VP so vocal about such a controversial issue is harmful to us. The "Ive never taken a lion but have been present when others have..." comments are nothing more than "..but I didnt inhale" its time for the car salesman/politician tactics to stop and time to support those that will cut the BS and fight for us.

Ive been reading this thread to my wife and teenage daughter to see how they react because they know nothing of the subjects and are a good control group to see how the public would react to our posts. Every time I get to Deweys posts, I have to slow down and repeat it so that they can ultimately ask if it was "that politician guy posting again" because "he rambles and doesnt say anything or answer ANY questions" That speaks volumes to me.

Mike i usually agree with you but not on the issue stated above. Public opinion is huge and affects every aspect of politics. The HSUS get millions and millions of dollars using puppys and kittens as advertisement propoganda, Why, Because it works. Have a couple well made comercials broadcasted and seen by oregonians showing the numbers and truth about what is happening to bears and lions with rank baits and snares and i believe that you will see public opinion turn more to your side, even the greenies and hippies. The more people that are educated about this type of hunting and oppose it will only help the force to get public hunting rights back. I honestly believe Ca should have done something like this. If your not exhausting every possible avenue to include advertisement to get what you want your probably going to lose.

Clint is right. The cost of producing and purchasing the airtime is actually pretty inexpensive. Google, as much as they suck, has a way to purchase airtime at a pretty good rate. You can pick the times, the channels, etc. All you need for the commercial is some sappy Sara Mclaughlin music and pictures of baby bears crying for their momma or the whole family slain by the gov. hunters.

Guys read my posts again. I think you will not find anything in there that says I am for the government hunting because I am not I want sport hunting back as much as you. I saying that is is all the private and ODFW can. It is what the laws allow. By us as hound men attacking them it is just causing more problems. We need the studies and cost to the state by control methods. Curt do you realize that I or no one has the power to make you fighting mad. That's all about you. Think about it. Dewey

It hurts my heart to see the in-fighting and name calling and frustration being exhibited on this thread when the frustration we all feel towards the government and how to change it is going to be a never ending cycle. It seems like no matter how many facts are presented for our side, when facts interfere with an agenda the facts always lose. Not only in hound hunting but all hunting, gun control, management of our forest, just about everything I hold dear is under attack. The "agenda" is what we need to change and that will take many years and diligent support of conservative candidates at all levels of government. The curriculum being taught in our public schools and colleges is bringing up a whole new generation of enemies to our way of life.
One of the things, that i find incredible is that California can seize any part of a cougar, even when legally taken before the ban. That battle should be fought out in court.
I just ask that we do not become so frustrated in the injustice that is being perpetrated on our lifestyle that we take it out on each other.

Right will prevail in the end. God willing.