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My question does the dog tree? Maybe she will get over it once she has the treeing thing figured out. I occasionally hunt with a guy who has a B&T a little over a year old that has done the same thing but she doesn't have the treeing thing figured out very good. I never had a young dog do that but I could see it being a major problem if other dogs start honoring her. If it were my dog at 11 months old I think I would try to get her over it before I would pull the plug but i would also pull the plug real fast if it starts rubbing off on the other dogs.

Trees are few and far between on the backend. Im with azlongears on this one.

I appreciate everyone's responses. I have layed scent drags down for her and she was doing awesome and then just out of the blue started doing that. Her brother is doing awesome so I don't know why she started. They are 11 month old pups so I've tried to give her the benefit of the doubt but I'm afraid she us gonna ruin my other dogs. We got an a real good lion track the other day with 5 other finished proven dirt dogs and the brother stayed with them until they came to a loss but about a mile in to the track she flipped around and hauled tail the other way opening up.

I don't want to have to use winchester remedy since the dog has a lot potential up until this little fiasco

Yeah she trees real hard and stays on the tree so that isn't the issue. She just started doing this out of the blue. She has never had an issue trying to line out a track.if she did get hung up she would do circles until she lined it out again. She always starts real hard but like I said out of the blue she just started running the other way when I guess she loses it. But once she runs backwards she gets back to the beginning of the track and then runs the track again but then by the time she gets back to where she ran backwards the other hounds are way ahead of her

If you are laying drags for her, make sure you are running her "backwards" on the drags or you are teaching her to back track......if you are laying your drags from A to B the dog should be running them from B to A. So the scent gets stronger as the dog moves forward.....like in real life.....drags get weaker as you drag them along. Not a fan of drags.... like said, the real thing is much better.

Here is my .02......

Running a back track is no different than running trash. You are going to catch the same amount of good game doing either. None. Dogs are way more intelligent than we give them credit for, they can be scolded for running a track the wrong way just like they can be scolded for running off game.

The key is consistency. Run a collar on her all the time, every time, for a long time. Run an Astro or Alpha on her on a fast setting. When she ain't doing what the others are, make her change her ways, every time, all the time.

Last piece of advice, spay her.

Scott

Thanks again. Yeah I won't be doing any drags everything the last 2 weeks has been the real deal and from here fourth it will be. Now for future training of any dogs would it be better to say run a coon covered in lion scent?

Run her alone on the track

You actually have 2 issues, the back trailing and opening on a covered track. I myself would be more concerned about opening on a covered track assuming she could be broke or grow out of the back trailing. How a dog opens on scent is something I would think would be much tougher to fix than the back trailing. Good thing is, you don't have a lot of time stuck in her. May be best to cut your losses while the losses are minimal. Either way, good luck.

merlo_105 wrote:As soon a she turns that track and your 100% sure she is going back words tone her right away if she continues then hit her on a 2 every time she opens her mouth. Your not wanting to fry her just bump her with the collar.

I like merlo's response, only thing I would do different if she was mine after I had hit her 2 or 3 times on level 2 of the shock collar and she kept going backwards, the intensity level would go up. It would probably go up enough till I would get a yelp out of her. One thing we have to remember is the shock level of dogs vary, some take more some less but with me this is a bad habit that has to be stopped right now. Only thing you have going for you is you have figured out the bad habit early in her hunting career. Bad habits turn into bad faults with dogs if not corrected. As soon as I thought she turned a track around she would get corrected right then. I would like to catch her within the first 100 yards or so of turning the track around, so you are really going to have to be paying close attention. There are very few dogs that are perfect, if any. Most all young dogs will pick up a bad habit when started. It's our responsibility as the trainer to recognize it and get it stopped before it becomes a fault. Hope it all works out for you and your dog. Good luck.


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I have a dog that did this at like 9 months old. the problem with trying to fix the dog is you had better have some good dogs that wont follow the dog backwards. my original problem started when a new dog I was hunting with took my 9 month old female from a tree on the back track. after this all my female wanted to do is back track off trees, To fix the problem I quite hunting my female with any other dogs but my very best tree dogs. this gave me a no questions asked answer to what was going on. I also tried very hard to stay very close on the back track so if she did come back I could tune on her with the collar. The big thing I figured is that if I couldn't nip the problem in the butt in just a few races then she would go down the road. the next time I turned her loose was on a lion I gave my old dogs 10 mins to get out ahead of her and then turned her on the track, this did two things, gave my old dogs a jump on the track to tree the lion and gave me time to keep up with the little female due to her having to work harder on the track to follow it. I stayed about 50-100 yards back from her, off we went. when I topped the last hill on the track I could hear the dogs treeing and my little female hit where the cat had been jumped, she started opening good now and down to the tree she went. I watched her locate tree, very important..... now I know she realizes there is a tree. then she treed for about 5 mins. I just hid in the brush just off the back track about 80 yards out from the tree. I didn't let any dogs know I was there. all at once she put her head down and back down the track she went, I let her go 60 yards or so. then I hit her with a 3....for about 4 sec. Back to the tree she went, treed like a champ for 10 or 15 mins. then back down the trail she went, this made me ramp up the game a bit, I decided a stick to the nose and a 6 might be a better lesson learned ( CAUTION I previously knew the dog was hard headed and this wouldn't make her quite hunting). I held the 6 for about 8 sec. she ran back to the tree and was a little sheepish. I went to the tree and praised her for several hours treeing. She now is the best tree dog I own and will not back track at all. she is 6 years old now and a great start dog on bear and lion.

good luck fixing your problem

dogman68 wrote:I've found the best way to remedy this is a .22 magnum. I've seen this many times. Its not even worth dealing with JMO

Posting crap like this on a open forum does nothing for the sport might want to think about it next time you have something to say...

merlo_105 wrote:

dogman68 wrote:I've found the best way to remedy this is a .22 magnum. I've seen this many times. Its not even worth dealing with JMO

Posting crap like this on a open forum does nothing for the sport might want to think about it next time you have something to say...

X100

How do you guys know it's genetic and not a training flaw? There are a couple ways to prove that it's genetic and I'm skeptical that it has ever been proven. I agree with it being a major problem, requiring a quick fix. I've never heard of someone looking at a pup and asking if its parents backtracked. I think it's a training flaw and a bad one. Normally brought on by using drags but can be also brought on by growly dogs. If it's an actual gene, are you guys stopping the entire line as well?


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