Newbie Questions

whoflungdung · Post by **whoflungdung** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:31 pm

I don't know why you'd want a hot nosed cur dog.

You can think all curs are hot nosed if you want but I know better. Heck I don't want a hot nosed cur aether. That's why I run kemmers. I know not all kemmers are cold nosed but I have seen kemmers run a few track that hounds wouldn't touch.

I wonder why everyone thinks curs are hot nosed???

Me to.

For one there are many different curs just like hounds. I have kemmers and really like the way they hunt. I don't have experience with any other curs. I have heard great things about leopards on big game as well. I think black mouth curs are hot nosed but I might be wrong. That's just what I have heard and read. My personal experience has been that cur are way easier to train than any hounds I have had. Maybe I just had hard nosed hounds heck I don't know.

I would say if you want a great handling dog without all the BS go with a kemmer or leopard. They are very fast and will catch game. And no matter what anybody says there are some very cold nosed curs out there.

Bearkiller · Post by **Bearkiller** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:36 pm

The curs I have owned, a couple leopard, 2 bmc and 1 mtn cur, WERE hot nosed. They were also weak tree dogs. As I started the post off with I am NOT a cur expert. I don't think owning 5 or 6 makes someone a cur expert. I do know what I experienced. I also know that my pit had a better nose than a couple of those curs. Also, you cur owners that use the excuse about how good curs handle are looking for something that a cur does better then a hound. By the way, a hound can be trained to listen just as well as any other dog. My dogs listen fine. I only use leashes to tie dogs back at the tree to keep the dogs from getting hurt. When I walk out my dogs follow. There are alot of hounds like that out there. I will own any good dog. I don't care if its a poodle. However, my dogs WILL listen. I don't need a specific breed of dogs to make my dogs handle. When I want a squirrel dog I'll buy another cur. Until then I'll stick with my hounds. ;-)

WFGinNM · Post by **WFGinNM** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:09 pm

That being said, I had a lab that treed great. He just didn't care what he chased. Seems like the same old "Ford or Chevy", "Bud or Coors" discussion. What it comes down to is hunt what makes you happy.

--Bill

whoflungdung · Post by **whoflungdung** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:28 pm

Also, you cur owners that use the excuse about how good curs handle are looking for something that a cur does better then a hound.

ha yeeaahh almost right :roll:

I wouldn't be following my cur around the steep nasty mountains where I live if they didn't catch game. I have run and have seen others run kemmers 3 to 5 days in a row without getting there feet tore up and bloody at all and that's something that doesn't happen much around here. On the other hand I have seen Walkers that were leaving the type of blood trail that you would want when following a wounded deer. The one thing I really love is a bawl mouth and that's something that's hard to find in a cur. for that reason I am thinking of adding a blue tick to the pack if the right deal comes along.

That being said, I had a lab that treed great. He just didn't care what he chased. Seems like the same old "Ford or Chevy", "Bud or Coors" discussion. What it comes down to is hunt what makes you happy.

--Bill

Well said Bill.

O and I will take Chevy, Bud, and Curs :lol:

Bearkiller · Post by **Bearkiller** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:34 pm

See, I thought the squirrel dog crack was going to be the one to get your dander up. I didn't imply for even a second that your dogs or curs in general couldn't catch game. I just meant that hounds can be trained to listen as good as any other dog. As far as the dogs feet getting tore up, I'm not goona argue that. I have never seen a cur put out as long as a typical hound either. Most curs are done after about 4 hours, tops. A good hound will give you twice that. I know in the intermountain west you may not catch a bear if its not caught after 4 hours but on the coast 6-8 hours is a pretty average race. I do think this is a good discussion for someone who hasn't decided what kind of dog to get. If you tell me that your kemmers will run HARD for 8 hours tree hard and handle a well trained house dog, then pm me. I might be interested. :-)

Oh yeah, it has to be cold nosed too.

briarpatch · Post by **briarpatch** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:21 pm

I have owned 3 Kemmers at different times over the years including one last year that I had shipped as a puppy, raised to over a year and tried to get it started. The other two were 10 and 15 years ago. I coon hunt and wanted to try them on big game. The first one (15 Years ago) was decent as compared to a good hound. The other two were losers.

As ALL AROUND dogs, IMO, they cannot compare to a good hound. I have no doubt that in special circumstances (lots of game, hot trails,etc.) they are O.K.

I have hunted with one in the last year or two on bear and lion. She is practically silent on track and opens very little on tree. She will stay with the hounds and is a "finisher" when the track gets hot. When close she pressures the game better than most hounds.

To each his own. I like to strike a cold track, work it up to a run and put it in a tree. Good hounds suit me better.

briarpatch

whoflungdung · Post by **whoflungdung** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:50 pm

I'm knot going to lie that squirrel dog comment made me laugh. That was a good one. :oops:

I am knot trying to brag up my dogs at all, I know they have flaws. When I first got a kemmer we had 2 black & tans two walkers and I also hunted with my buddies who had blue ticks and red ticks. I cant even begin to count how many times that the hounds have got cliffed out and would sit there and bark treed until somebody got there. Once we got them to shut up we could here my kemmer treed a couple hundred yards away by himself. Now I had no part in training my kemmer. I bought him at one and a half years old and at that point he had only been on a few trainers. He was a natural.

Now let me say this. If it weren't for that dog I would hate curs just like I used to. I have been having a hard time finding more curs that are worth the money to feed. I have found a few but they are few and far between.

Good luck with picking a breed. My advice would be don't fall in love with your dog unless he gets the job dun

pete richardson · Post by **pete richardson** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:08 am

i had a mtn cur x walker-- he woudnt run an old track--- unless another dog barked on it one time--- then he would show em how its done-- lol

WFGinNM · Post by **WFGinNM** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:20 am

Well... The type of hunting I do here in north central, and southern NM were I hunt on foot walking ridgetops and bluffs. I like to be able to just cast my Camus dogs and walk, they hunt close and check in until they start a track. They go where I want to go, I don't have to start hunting dogs. Yes my oldest one (11) started running tracks silent when he was 8 until he heats it up but when he starts barking he's looking a fur (makes me miss the bawl of a hound), the young dogs with him make up in the noise department.

I totally forgot about foot problems until my wife wanted a walker. Also quite a few places I hunt are small pockets that most guys won't touch. Walk in there with some hounds and the anti's are all over your butt. Take a couple curs, and folks have no clue what you are doing

. It's the guys with the long eared dogs, big dog boxes, and stickers that draw all the attention away from what I'm doing

--Bill

whoflungdung · Post by **whoflungdung** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:40 am

WFGinNM I would love to see some pics of your Camus dogs. I have heard very little about them and dont have a clue how they look.

WFGinNM · Post by **WFGinNM** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:58 am

whoflungdung,
I sent you a PM...

--Bill

BMC97756 · Post by **BMC97756** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:08 pm

I have a black mouth cur and they are GREAT w/ kids my kids are 2 and 4 and with a lot of thaining they can handle him. they seem to love kids and when I go camping he wanders but not far and if I call he is always close and comes running. When I got my bmc it to was partly for home protection. I had pits and amstaffs for a long time and when I had to get rid of them (insurance) I felt my family was unsafe that is when I got my bmc. Some breeders breed more for family temoerment than pure hunting drive but they always can do both. My friend here in oregon will be having pups ready to go in oct. if you are interested they will be $200 just send me a pm

BMC97756 · Post by **BMC97756** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:15 pm

you should look at the Lander BMC they are bread just for tree game

nmplott · Post by **nmplott** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:06 pm

this whole conversation can be summed up in a few sentences:
Find a couple of breeds that you like, find some breeders that use these breeds to hunt what you like and then go out and hunt with the potential dam and sire, then if you like it buy one or two pups. If not go to another breeder (same breed or not) and hunt with them until you find what you like. Do not just go by what they say they will do experience it. They may have faults that you did not think of asking that you will see in the field.

BMC97756 · Post by **BMC97756** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:42 pm

nmplott is right not all people hunt the same and if you can you should see what you are getting in to befor you buy