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Very well said Mike, I have hunted the Nance dogs for alot of years on bobcats and the ones I have kept and bred sure know how to drift a cold trail and do it well but if they did not know how to put an end to the trail they sure wouldnt stay here. They locate and tree very well and I am talking good sized trees not your 10 ft high shrubs. I am not saying they are superior to any other strain or breed but the ones I have kept and bred are Hard stay put tree dogs like any other strains some have to be culled.

That was very well said Mike. So let me ask you this, Have you seen the tree in all big game hounds (no matter what breed) get worst? I mean stand on the tree and never move, tree dog, or sit back and never move tree dog?
I have hunted with some of the greats and many other hounds men and too offen all you see is dogs running in and out and round and round the tree, climbing the tree, jumping, back tracking, you name it. Many times seeing this mess I wonder if the biggame hunter didn't have 8 plus dogs there, if the game would stay in the tree? And alot of this I think is man made, jumping game out of the tree all the time, shooting everything out and of coarse breeding it out? So what do you think? And please don't just tell me how perfect the Nance breeding is, because we both know that is Bull, Every breed and line has there faults and the worst breeders are those that proclaim they have the perfect dog, right?

Devin,

I sure wouldn't tell you any bull about the Nance dogs because I have only been around a few. And they are sure not perfect I just went out and schooled on one for raising old cain in the kennel because my 88 year old neighbor lady can't seem to keep her mentally retarded cat from coming down the road. I could fix that problem but I guess I better not. LOL!


I have seen some of these crossed up big game so called dogs that were sort of like you said doing the crap thing at the tree and they were usually kept by the guys that really didn't give a dang or some green horn that had some of old so and so and old so and so famous I guess and bred them and wasn't a dog handler or culler( Hey that goes hand in hand) by the way. But most of the good old strain dogs kept by truely professional type dog men were fairly steady tree dogs. Oh they might have one or two that is not a slam up tree dog or may come off if you don't slip in quiet to them even seen some of Van's breeding that will do that, but by golly they had the fur up there. Just dogs that's all they are. But now when it comes to the hunters this is where the rubber meets the road and depending on if they are making a living at guiding clients or depending on the dogs to give them the credentials to support the effort that is being funded then you see the results. So many of those strains were built around guys that either caught the game or they got their walking papers from the state, federal or cattle and sheep growers so they didn't jump a lot of game out. It just went boom! and then on to the next. I am sure you know on the study side they have grown accustomed to first hand reports so it behooves the person to have the dogs that make that happen.


I wish I had somthing to offer those that would like a Nance bred pup but I don't. I have two young females that I haven't bred yet and two neutured males that will never breed. I just hunt and have fun with the dogs but I don't raise dogs to sell. I have sold some over the years but I let others do that now. I have only two males on my place that can breed. One is out of Jeff Allen's Hank ( Jiggs) the other is out of the Terrell Shelly male that Shorty owns Hagar and his name is ( Big Ben). That is it.

Well I guess in a round about way you answered my question. My point I was wanting to make is, there is a hunter that has a problem with his dog tracking and not treeing and all the Nance and Topper fans say don't worry it has to turn out because of it's breeding and really offer nothing but that and that is HOG WASH, it may not turn out no matter what his breeding plain hard fact. Hopefully this is not the case, and I hope it does turn out. But we need to be honest with New hunters asking questions so they can cull when culling is needed. And help to make a better dog if possible.
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Devin, I think what they were saying is give the pup a chance as the parents were hard tree dogs not meaning the pup will be a top notch tree dog for sure, just give him a fair shake as its in his makings. As for what I said about my Nance strain is I have kept and bred the drifting cold nosed hard tree dogs and have CULLED the ones that dont make the grade, meaning they are not all perfect but the ones I have kept are nice all around cat dogs and in my mind this will sure help your odds down the road. Every bred and strain needs a strict culling plan! later Andy

When I said something about the two Topper bred dogs I mentioned a guy named Mike. It wasn't you Mr. Leanord, it was the mike that Sawtooth got the pup from. Anyhow I do like the Nance dogs myself as well, but I could give two shits about pumping them up every time the line is mentioned as mr. paco said . I was just replying a little about where this pup came from and what his parents do, and what i thought I'd do with him. Paco it seems whenever the Nance dogs are talked about on here you kind of throw a few sneaky jabs, aren't you selling pups with Sackett blood and making big game hounds?

Cold Track wrote: aren't you selling pups with Sackett blood and making big game hounds?

No sire that is Casey Cardwell, I have no pups for sell but these 2 Jeff Allen dog and only one of them would I concider a pup, she is 8 months old.