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Travis Stirek wrote:Had George Bush stayed the course and let America see Bin Laden hang(before going to Iraq),he would have went down as the most popular president of all time.

Had Clinton took out Bin Laden when he had the chance 9-11 would have never happed

liontracker wrote:
What say ye ?

Obama the next Hitler?? I believe that is a bit of a stretch. I might not have voted for him, but I don't believe he's the devil incarnate either.

Vance M. wrote:

Travis Stirek wrote:Had George Bush stayed the course and let America see Bin Laden hang(before going to Iraq),he would have went down as the most popular president of all time.

Had Clinton took out Bin Laden when he had the chance 9-11 would have never happed

And had Reagan and Bush Sr. not have brought the Taliban to power to fight Russia.....And blah blah blah.I was saying Bush's heart was in the right place(by taking out Saddam) however,I feel he made one of the biggest public image blunders in history by not capatalizing on his 85% approval rating and finishing the job of bringing Bin Laden and the Taliban,to justice before heading to Iraq.

Most of the time I dont get involved with arguments mostly because I'm only 14 and most of the time dont know what I'm talking about. But Kevin D, I dont think Liontracker was trying to say Obama is going to be the next hitler, he saying that their policies are similar, "promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs"[quote][/quote] and that if we dont wake up and realize what history has taught us that we could be heading down that same road. So maybe it would be in your best interest to re-read his post. this will be the only thing I say because I dont like getting involved.

Borrowing money to produce is how poor countries become rich countries.

Borrowing money to consume is how rick countries become poor countries.

Just some basic economics, get ready for a total collapse that makes this last one look like a vacation. It WILL happen, and it has to happen. Then once we hit bottom we can start to rebuild but the longer they prop up bad businesses the worse it will be later.

beaglewalkerhunter4 wrote:Most of the time I dont get involved with arguments mostly because I'm only 14 and most of the time dont know what I'm talking about. But Kevin D, I dont think Liontracker was trying to say Obama is going to be the next hitler, he saying that their policies are similar, "promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs and that if we dont wake up and realize what history has taught us that we could be heading down that same road. So maybe it would be in your best interest to re-read his post. this will be the only thing I say because I dont like getting involved.

You don't have to worry about me bwh4, I'm not going to beat you down for having an opinion whether I agree or not. At least you're thinking about it.

Nah, the author of the article liontracker posted started by listing the similarities between Hitler and Obama's policies with the inference that therefore Obama may be the next Hitler. I don't know whether liontracker actually believes that or not but as I stated, I find it a bit of a stretch. Either he's underestimating the evil of Hitler or over demonizing the intent of Obama. I have already told you what I think.

As far as an inevitible economic collapse?? Ain't going to happen IMO. We may be in for some tough times, but we'll get through it. Those of us that have been around long enough have experienced the highs and lows of the business cycle before. There have always been those predicting the collapse of American society, Karl Marx did it, Lenin, even Bin Laden. But as I stated, what these folks have under estimated is the resilency of the American spirit. How many of you remember Y2K?? The same kind of calamities were predicted then too yet we survived.


My prediction is that 10 years from now the current crisis will be relegated to the history books and a new theory of calamity will have emerged.

The only way this will turned around in ten years is if we kick Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and any other free spending liberal out. We cannot expect a Pres. and government who has quadrupled the national defecit in three months to lead us out of this.

Kevin D
you say it'll all work its self out, like the depression, WWII, etc
well i am a history buff..anything written about the depression, chances are i've read it
and in all the material i've read, i've never come across anything saying Mr. Roosevelt TOOK OVER private companies, sure he created government jobs when he should have leaned a little more toward boosting private employment...but keep in mind
Barack obama and FDR are to COMPLETELY different leaders..with completely different agendas...FDR was a genuine man

soo heres what'll happen in 10 years
good ol obama's secret agenda all you people are so blind to, will have become public
and you and i will be doing christ knows what 16 hours a day, 7 days a week..
and the end of the week will roll around.."here ya go Kevin D, heres your loaf of bread and jug of milk for all that hard work, ol barack obama sure appreciates it"
we'll all be living in shacks while he sits his monkey ass in a golden palace and rides elephants around
COMMUNISM, HERE WE COME!!
DRINK UP BOYS ITS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER

ps, all you guys in canada, hows the housing market lookin?
haha

arizonabeagle wrote:Kevin D
you say it'll all work its self out, like the depression, WWII, etc
well i am a history buff..anything written about the depression, chances are i've read it
and in all the material i've read, i've never come across anything saying Mr. Roosevelt TOOK OVER private companies, sure he created government jobs when he should have leaned a little more toward boosting private employment...but keep in mind
Barack obama and FDR are to COMPLETELY different leaders..with completely different agendas...FDR was a genuine man

soo heres what'll happen in 10 years
good ol obama's secret agenda all you people are so blind to, will have become public
and you and i will be doing christ knows what 16 hours a day, 7 days a week..
and the end of the week will roll around.."here ya go Kevin D, heres your loaf of bread and jug of milk for all that hard work, ol barack obama sure appreciates it"
we'll all be living in shacks while he sits his monkey ass in a golden palace and rides elephants around
COMMUNISM, HERE WE COME!!
DRINK UP BOYS ITS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER

ps, all you guys in canada, hows the housing market lookin?
haha

What FDR did do was introduce the federal government into an intervening role in the U.S. economy......a role it has never relinquished. As a history buff surely you remember the battles FDR had with the Supreme Court looking to over turn his new deal policies. Just seems odd you'd call FDR a genuine man for his economic activism yet criticize Obama for the same activist mindset.

If you're looking for a polemic of Obama's policies, I'm probably not your man. As I have already stated, some of what the government has done oversteps the boundries of what I think a responsible government should do. Nonetheless, I don't think that dooms the U.S. economy to collapse. I have faith in American institutions and I have faith in the American people to overcome adversity.

Personally, I'm more concerned with foreign threats to our country such as Iran's or North Korea's nuclear ambitions than I am of Obama's economic policies.

beaglewalkerhunter4 wrote:Most of the time I dont get involved with arguments mostly because I'm only 14 and most of the time dont know what I'm talking about. But Kevin D, I dont think Liontracker was trying to say Obama is going to be the next hitler, he saying that their policies are similar, "promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs"

and that if we dont wake up and realize what history has taught us that we could be heading down that same road. So maybe it would be in your best interest to re-read his post. this will be the only thing I say because I dont like getting involved.

Only 14, Kids like you are the ones that will make America survive.
Well Done!

BW4 You definately have your head screwed on straight, keep it that way. You and others like you are our future.

No I don't think O'bama is another Hitler. I also do not think one person could get away with that kind of thing, in this country, at this point in time. But I do believe, that an extreme left wing committee, could underhandedly drag us into the most destructive set of circumstances this country has ever seen, all things considered, at this time.

If this shall come to pass, then you will see real American resiliancy - in the form of a revolution....

And that is excactly what the radical left fears most and is the real reason they cry so hard for gun control.

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men were created equal..." Abraham Lincoln

"A government of the people, for the people and by the people" The US Constitution

" The right to keep and bear arms..." The Second Ammendment

"Guns... the great equalizer..." Samuel Colt

Besides, no government has lasted forever and ours' is the youngest in the world....

Kevin D wrote:

arizonabeagle wrote:Kevin D
you say it'll all work its self out, like the depression, WWII, etc
well i am a history buff..anything written about the depression, chances are i've read it
and in all the material i've read, i've never come across anything saying Mr. Roosevelt TOOK OVER private companies, sure he created government jobs when he should have leaned a little more toward boosting private employment...but keep in mind
Barack obama and FDR are to COMPLETELY different leaders..with completely different agendas...FDR was a genuine man

soo heres what'll happen in 10 years
good ol obama's secret agenda all you people are so blind to, will have become public
and you and i will be doing christ knows what 16 hours a day, 7 days a week..
and the end of the week will roll around.."here ya go Kevin D, heres your loaf of bread and jug of milk for all that hard work, ol barack obama sure appreciates it"
we'll all be living in shacks while he sits his monkey ass in a golden palace and rides elephants around
COMMUNISM, HERE WE COME!!
DRINK UP BOYS ITS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER

ps, all you guys in canada, hows the housing market lookin?
haha

What FDR did do was introduce the federal government into an intervening role in the U.S. economy......a role it has never relinquished. As a history buff surely you remember the battles FDR had with the Supreme Court looking to over turn his new deal policies. Just seems odd you'd call FDR a genuine man for his economic activism yet criticize Obama for the same activist mindset.

If you're looking for a polemic of Obama's policies, I'm probably not your man. As I have already stated, some of what the government has done oversteps the boundries of what I think a responsible government should do. Nonetheless, I don't think that dooms the U.S. economy to collapse. I have faith in American institutions and I have faith in the American people to overcome adversity.

Personally, I'm more concerned with foreign threats to our country such as Iran's or North Korea's nuclear ambitions than I am of Obama's economic policies.

i never said the economy would collapse, nor did i say i wanted such a thing to happen
but if we continue to go in the direction of the government loaining money to failing companies, then in turn, taking them over....WERE (beep)! COMMUNISM!!
excuse my language

and as for the american people, and the resiliency or the american spirtit
in this day and age thats a crock of shit!
AMERICANS, are few and far between these days.....i bet 7 outta 10 people on the street will more than give you a lowly opinion of today's america..most will lay down..not stand up for anything..sad, but true

liontracker, i agree with what you said 100%
"I also do not think one person could get away with that kind of thing, in this country, at this point in time. But I do believe, that an extreme left wing committee, could underhandedly drag us into the most destructive set of circumstances this country has ever seen, all things considered, at this time."

thats the truth, it can happen
and if mainstream america dosent pull its head outta its ass
IT WILL

thatll be the last i post on here
take it easy
Mike

Personally I'm not worried about the long term health of the US economy. The short term is going to be bad, but eventually it will rebound. To what degree who knows, but history has clearly shown that business is cyclical. I realize this isn't very comforting to people who are out tight on work (or out of work).

There are a number of very good things that are going to come out of this. Unemployment is getting in/or near the double digits and money is pretty tight so people start to take a little better inventory where their money is being spent. They don't have a lot of time/funds to devote to save some endangered tree frog or field mouse. They also could really give a rip about all these claims how people were "offended", "oppressed" or worry about being politically correct. Most times they will actually get a little pissed off when government devotes time to dealing with this crap when there are more pressing needs at hand. It's these situations that swing the people in the middle to one side or the other.

The biggest reason why I am not concerned is that there is NO possible way any goverment run enterprise will be able to run ANY sort of business more effectively than one from the private sector. Just look at the oversight and inefficiencies they will bring. It will be mind boggling. If a private company has any sort of business savy they will run circles around it's government counterpart. The only obstacle is if numerous unrealistic regulations are passed to eliminate competition. The factors working against that are numerous though because companies don't/won't give up their hard work. They will only give up ownership by either being paid a fair compensation or putting up a helluva fight. This fight will include grabbing the ear of every elected official they can or lobbying hard to get new ones in office. Most of the good solvent companies may cut back but they aren't going to fold up.

We've just got to weather the storm not survive the flood.

Hell Nolte, you surprised me. I figured the only stimulus packages you cheeseheads had any experience with was the implanted, pump up kind you need to fraternize with those big boned 'sconny girls!

Nice of you to set your beer down long enough to join in this discussion.

Why set it down. I always get a bit smarter after a twelver anyway. I can really fix the world's problems, just not my own.

I'll leave all that others stuff about pumps, pills and cream to you Utah boys to figure out. I'm pretty sure you've got the expert on the subject out that way anyway.