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Here's something interesting that's been on my mind. I've been thinking about making a second crop of lurchers with a Stag male I have called Duce. I don't know if I'll find another border collie that is a treeing fool or if I'll cross him with Vicki. Duce trees like a good curdog and is better at treeing than either of the lurchers. Duce is a lot of dog at 28" and 100# and does not have that border collie handle and ability to reason...at least not as well. I know from the many accounts that a 3/4 sighthound, 1/4 collie still retains most of the brains of the border collie but not quite as much so as the first cross. It will come down to what I can find for a female and if I can buy her I think.

If anyone has a wildly smart border collie that likes to hunt and trees well, I would really, really like to hear about it.

I don't want to play with to many parts of this project at once but I will be able to hunt Tommy an Vicki until and if I can find something better. This second crop is a result of discovering the exceptional abilities and additional abilities of Duce that take him beyond the normal Stag. I just can't ignore it. If it weren't for him I would think I was doing pretty well with what I've got.

David,

I would have liked to send you a different kinda mutt but its all I had on hand at the time. There are WAY better crosses that could be made to do what you are doing but hopefully she will somehow join in and at least help out the team a lil.

Dan Edwards wrote:David,

I would have liked to send you a different kinda mutt but its all I had on hand at the time. There are WAY better crosses that could be made to do what you are doing but hopefully she will somehow join in and at least help out the team a lil.

Mr Edwards, I hold that dog in high esteem because I know where she came from. She has brought me a lot of joy. Every time a light comes on for her I celebrate. I have enjoyed tiny bits of success back in bobcat hunting after a decade away, and when I do, she is there. She has already done some things I thought she never would. Any bobcat dog would enjoy owning the miracles of movement your breeding efforts have shown me for the very first time. She is just starting to put some things together, and when she is there on the jump, cats climb. If I was a cat she would scare me to death. I would climb too. I can't immagine she will ever be what folks call a balanced bobcat dog, but those can be a little boring. Boring she is not! Thank you sir.

Dan, i got to see the dog that David has out here and was intrigued by her. If you dont mind would you tell me what all was in her? I guess i liked her personality and the way she handled herself at a strange place and around a bunch of strange dogs.

The male dogs is 1/4 dale, 1/4 bulldog, 1/2 coyote dog.
This is his daddy. The best coyote dog I have ever seen.
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk36 ... 040709.jpg

The female is a very nice running hound that catches us quite a few coyotes.

I don't really have any pictures of the male or female that I can put up here at this time. We bred the male dogs to use as a terrier mans dog and we just sorta run him with the other sighthounds on coyotes or even have ran him with the hounds. It don't matter to him really cuz he will do both.

Tommy and Vicki at Lake Noquebay running the shoreline looking for fox. No action this day but the dogs look happy anyhow. They did work a track to a well known den hill but nobody was on the outside. Still, it's nice when it's above zero just to be out and about when the sun is shining. The picture was taken in the evening.

So does chasing the truck make the Ultimate Bobcat Dog?...?

We were on foot.

Dan McDonough wrote:

Man Dan, if we still had a hound/dog season for wolves, I'd of loved to seen a pack from that cross run down some of them stinky, worthless SOB's..

The guys that I know that have had some collie lurchers have told me not top expect the kind of grit it takes for coyotes. I don't know if Tommy knows he's not supposed to be a hard dog, but so far he's shown a lot of toughness. Vicki is always in there but will pull out and circle if the tangles get to much. They look the part here and have the speed to catch but I doubt very much that they would last long on a wolf. The straight Stags are the way to go there. They are killers, and while I've seen a few that didn't have it, most of the ones I've had so far have been pretty wicked.

I've talked about Duce before. He's a full Stag I have that is 28" and 100#'s. He can run a decent warm track as fast as anything I've seen and the dog trees hard. He's a buzz saw on coyotes and there aren't any critters smaller than that that will take him very long to kill though I would rather not see him try a badger or an otter...just saying.

Anyway, if you like the collie brains, I've heard that a 3/4 cross will get the top speed back and I would expect all of the fight to be there also but I don't know for sure. One thing is pretty certain though, you don't loose much of the brains though. For a hard core lurcher man I would think that might be a nice dog. For my purposes, I don't need the super fast open country type of speed but I do need all of the brains I can get.

David, the red and white bitch 2nd from the left is the dam to your lil gyp. The female right to the left of her is a half sister. And.....the young gyp right behind them 2 is actually a littermate sister to yours. The best hound in the back of that truck is the one all the way to the left which is the half sister to the dam of your gyp. 2nd best is the dam to yours.

The sire to your gyp is the lil red dog right in the middle here.

Hot dog! Finally some pictures with varmits to look at

in the picture with the dogs in the bed of the pickup I would say the black dog in the middle and the dog on the left in the back are about 2 seconds away from a dog fight. jmo