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How would you know when you have completed developing the ultimated bob cat dog. This subject is not very interesting don't know why I read this nonsense. I must have too much time to waste.

macedonia mule man wrote:How would you know when you have completed developing the ultimated bob cat dog. This subject is not very interesting don't know why I read this nonsense. I must have too much time to waste.

×2 well said.

twist wrote:

macedonia mule man wrote:How would you know when you have completed developing the ultimated bob cat dog. This subject is not very interesting don't know why I read this nonsense. I must have too much time to waste.

×2 well said.

So let me ask you two a legitimate question. Why are you guys taking the time to read and comment if it's such nonsense? What about this thread has provoked such emotion that you feel it necessary to state over and over and over that it's a dumb idea? Why do these experiments bother you that much? Are you two just so board and so set in your ways that you feel the need to troll a open minded fellow hounds men? Or are you two just recreational and chronic complainers?

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Some people just like to complain. It's nearly impossible for many folks to even consider that there is a world beyond their own.

Twist, you suggested that I just find a reputable person that already has bobcat dogs. I'm him. I used to catch cats with the line of leopards I hunt. It was getting boring and I'm interested in catching them even easier, or rather, breeding a dog that can. I hunted cats for nearly 10 years full time and live where there are plenty (if you don't shoot them all). Why you and others have such a problem with me spending my time doing that is just beyond my comprehension. I only write about it for three reasons. First is that it is fun and helpful for the new guys. Second is that it's a way for me to socialize because I don't have time for many friends outside of the dogs and family. Third is because it is a record of what I've done that I can draw on later, like a journal. You don't have to read it. I do wish you would read and comment on it all, but I think it's better that you waited until I have made the first litter of the final product and actually start training and testing them. I don't think the theoretical side of this is your cup of tea.

It's slow going but one I get the final mix put together, it should get a little more exciting.

If one is hunting a great strain of cat dogs and catching consistant how can one get bored?

I think this ultimate bobcat dog discussion would confuse a lot of new comers because if they new any better they would know that there are many great lines if reputable breeders that guarantee there pups/dogs. To try and recreate the wheel is very confusing to a new comer because they are very open minded and personally I think they would go backwards by this. Not trying to take away from what your doing and more power to you for trying but i disagree that it will help new comers. I am a firm believer in trying what works before you mess with it . Jmo as is everyone else's. Good luck and hope you succeed.

Personally, it's been a good read, and since following this and other cross bread adventures have considered various out crosses. Perhaps not the ultimate, but have not found alot to improve on. I don't need to play frisbee or pic up chicks with my cat dogs, too old for both. If it ain't broke dont fix it.
On that note, i admire your effort and when you r successfull would enjoy a opportunity to see them in action. I can always change my tune then.

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Personally, it's been a good read, and since following this and other cross bread adventures have considered various out crosses. Perhaps not the ultimate, but have not found alot to improve on. I don't need to play frisbee or pic up chicks with my cat dogs, too old for both. If it ain't broke dont fix it.
On that note, i admire your effort and when you r successfull would enjoy a opportunity to see them in action. I can always change my tune then.

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I don't have anything good to say to the na sayers so I won't say anything on that. As for you Dan keep on keeping on. Not my cup of tea but if I'd a known it would of piss off this many people maybe I'd have done it .maybe I'll just wait till you have it all dailed in then buy 2 or 3 from you and make a living off of all your hard work, sell pups and stud fee's

Twist- That illustrates my point. Your not considering that I may be into it for different reasons than you. I'm having a hard time swallowing that idea because I've found you to be pretty sharp over the years. My favorite side of all of this is the dogs themselves. I enjoy making them, weather it's the hunting, training or the breeding. There are a lot of things I could do with dogs and be happy with it. For about 10 years, bobcat was all I wanted to do but I think I'm over it. I'll still run them more than most things but it's the dogs themselves that has my attention these days.

Kyle- I agree. Guys just starting out should simply get something that is already working. I'm not even close to being able to tell people any more than what I think might work. That won't catch anyone a single cat. At the moment, it's just a fun ride and it's not even going very fast...yet.

Bon- Thanks, you can have one when I get to the final product. It would be ideal if I could hunt a whole litter out but I won't be able to. It's likely I'll just keep a pair and roll the dice.

Jeff- You funny! Your way smarter than I am. I'm always tied up in the research to much to ever actually make any money. That's my life's story. I've always thought of myself as a great guy to make someone else rich. I've never been all that concerned with it myself though. That always infuriated my dad.

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Dan when you get to my age you might realize life is short. Does not piss me off, just puzzles me one would spend years trying to produce the ultimate bobcat dog using breeding stock that most likely has zero chance of reproducing it/s self, If & when you produce the ultimate cat dog, but carry on & good luck. Al

Dumpy Al strikes again. Al, it's what I enjoy doing. Thank God there was someone with my attitude behind the making of what ever goes into your dogs or you'd really have something to complain about.

I think what your doing is awesome, in fact it has broaden my knowledge on dogs just from the Sparks of interest I've gained from these post have lit a big fire in me, I'm working on something similar with my hog dogs and get the exact same flack from "pure bred" people, my crosses/experiments are stacking the swine up and with the proof being in the pudding it has shut a lot of my haters up, I'm only 30 but have ran dogs literally all my life and one day decided to try to put into one dog what works for me, I'm 5 years into it and still got some ways to go, my undertaking was much easier than yours being as my foundation stock was easier to come by, it's hard for the younger guys that hunt with me and I send dogs to, to understand what I'm doing, I've caught more hogs in my life than I can remember, and if that's all that I was worried about then I would be breeding a different style of dogs, I'm breeding dogs that please ME, and are the style I like, these days I'm all about the dogs and just enjoying my time with them and my little boy in Gods wonderful creations....


Now for the naysayers who have nothing positive to contribute or just bring negativity, every breed we use to catch the variety of game that we all pursue was at one point in time an EXPERIMENT, y'all better be glad folks such as Lester Nance and many others didn't listen to the folks telling them that what they were doing was non sense hog wash, we wouldn't have them treeing walkers that folks love so much, if it weren't for the royal families crossing and experimenting with blood hounds and grey hounds to breed a dog that suits them, we wouldn't have the English fox hounds, then where would be, if the Plott family had listened to folks telling them what they were doing was foolish would we have the breed in general, I just can't wrap my head around why some of y'all get rubbed the wrong way so bad over something another man is doing that could reap great benefits on down the road the further Dan gets into this project and the more research is done, not saying the "ultimate bobcat dogs" will be for everybody but what's is learned about dogs and breeding in general could be of great significance and I don't see anybody else doing the hard work and sharing it with the rest of the hound world...



Dan you may already know this but I've found some research done that discovered all mammals get their mitochondrial DNA from ONLY our mothers, things such as our metabolism, a good bit of our muscle functions, most of our amino acids that produce proteins that produce muscles, the production of heme which is one of the main components of hemoglobin and that's what transports oxygen throughout our blood stream ( this has a great impact on a dogs overall bottom), this does go hand in hand with some of the other information that you've found about certain parts of the brain controlling certain functions...