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[quote="Brindle"]I have ran plotts for several years now and have never had one problem with them. All you have to do train em right and teach em who the alpha is. Plotts have absolutly zero, none, nada pitbull in them. They are plotts and thats it, a breed of their own. They are bred for bears and thats what they do best in my opinion. With that being said, What do you need to put a bad in a tree? GRIT and plotts have just that GRIT. Its not a bad thing at all. On the other hand all the mean dogs I have seen are walkers on both people and dogs. I have seen on two different occasions people get eaten up. And I cant count how many box fighters. So you cant even give a walker dog.[/quote

Well said brindle, i have seen mean walkers, blue dogs, red dogs, plotts, redbones, b&ts all breeds have their rotten eggs, duds and flatt out mean ones...i dont beleive its just one breed. i run all plotts and have had one mean one...i dont put up with mean dogs so i split her up and started working her with only one other dog and a shock collar....she is no longer ill in any way, its all on what you will put up with and what you let your dog get away with, but like i said every breed has its plain mean ones. this is just my .02

do a little research on how the plott line came to be. from what I understand it was a hound bred to a pit for agression and then back hound to hound ever since.

There is absolutly NO pitbull in a plott dog.

Rockcreek wrote:I think it has a lot more to do with the person that keeps the dogs, rather than the breed. Lots of guys mistake agressive behavior and fighting, with grit. I know a guy that had a growly dog... He said "He's allowed to growl in the box and at the tree, he's earned it."

That kind of thinking makes a lot of growly alligators. It's funny there is such a problem with this... it's real easy to fix, if you get after em young.

Take care.

x2... If you ever get around a fella that is mean most of the time his dogs are mean as well. Around my place the only growly dog is the Top Dog and that would be ME and the pups know it and behave accordingly. Thanks for letting me say my peice, now back to the pissing match at hand. P.S. My vote is for bully breeds that are raised on 4ft of chain.

The Plott comes from a German hound. I do not think there would have been Pitbull bred into them. Meanest dog I have ever been around was a Plott. The sweetest dog I have ever been around was also a Plott. This whole debate is absolutely ridiculous, when speaking of working dogs like hounds, labs, etc. It depends on the dog, but most of the time working dogs are going to be fairly laid back. There are Alphas with any group of animals and to establish dominance there will be some growling and nipping at each other. The fight happens when one doesn't back down. If you have a dog tearing up others at a tree it probably has passed the point of establishing dominance and it is time to take action. I do not own any Plotts at this time, so my opinion of Plotts is completely non-biased. If I came across a good Plott I would buy it in a second. I do not think they are any worse than any other working dog. The only thing I do not like about Plotts is I think they are ugly as hell. But pretty isn't what catches game.

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George Streepy wrote:The only thing I do not like about Plotts is I think they are ugly as hell. But pretty isn't what catches game.

My vote is for any breed raised on 4 ft of chain.

I can make any dog mean. It's real easy to make them conform also. Start early taking care of this, as this behavior starts early in most dogs. The earlier the better, and don't spare the rod!

There was an old plott hunter, he picked up a new guy to go hunting. When the new guy put his 2 dogs in the box, the old Plott guy asked "do your dogs fight in the box?" The new guy said "hell no!" The old Plott guy said "they damn sure better learn to!"

LMAO! I have seen a few real nice plott dogs, and would be proud to turn any of them loose. All the ones I've had, I've culled. Either for fighting or not doing anything.

I've also seen growly, alligator dogs in EVERY other breed, except the leoprads... The ones I seen never did nothing.

Take care.

Where is it documented that Plotts have pit in them? Is it because they are brindle?
I've seen brindle bulls before....have they been bred to a pit somewhere too?

Just wondering.

Big Mike...I agree w/ you, but I will also have to say that the majority of Camerons, ive known are nasty dogs to be around...

JMHO, I think the gators come in all sizes and colors, and while I agree that some of that is genetics, I also think alot of that junk is a direct result of some of the "handlers" additude, The plott breed seems to be hands down the most voted for gators, But in my limited experience I think many wannabe bear hunters pick the plott breed because of the bad rep they have, Look at me syndrome, I have a bunch of bad arse plotts, Me Mighty Bear Hunter! sorta like dang near every gangsta wannabe runs out and buys some pittbulls, look at me Im a bad man, Then the dogs end up with no training or disipline, get turned out once or twice a year and viola more plott trouble and add to the bad rep, The dogs return tore up from fighting each other, and another bad bear story is born, so the legend will live on of the baddest bear dogs in the woods, course that happens with other colors too, just seems to me that the plotts attract more of the type of people who take pride in the fact that plotts have a bad rep for fighting, oops I mean gritty, then cop an additude Well what can you expect? after all they are plotts, baddest dogs in the hills, Ok Im done with my 02cents

I think 2ndhound might be on to something, but just because a person owns Plotts doesn't put them into the negative side. I am absolutely disgusted with Pittbulls, for the reason mentioned. That is also the reason a few cities in Western Washington has banned Pitbulls. I work on over 1200 residential properties each year and get to interact with dogs of all makes. My least favorite being the Pittbull followed by the annoying pocket dogs. Most of the Pitts I deal with are owned by a low income renter who is absolutely making a statement with their Pittbull. I do know that some dogs are going to have a genetic disposition to be more aggressive, maybe Plotts fall a little further into this category than other hounds. I would think that would be getting bred out of them over the years by responsible breeding practices.

As far as the original question my answer would be some individuals will be more apt to attack other dogs. Don't count out any breed based on stereotypes, we are going to have to deal with bad behavior from all breeds.

Mr. Streepy, glad you added your thoughts on this subject, I certainly did not mean to imply that plott owners as a whole are in it for the ego thing, Sorry if thats the impression I gave, I know there are many darn fine hound people that run plotts and have some outstanding dogs, It just seems to me that the breed itself attracts a higher percentage of the negative type, and only adds to the bad rep they have, same as the pitts, Ken

I hunted the Lipper line of walkers for several years and would agree on them being more aggressive, but I never had a problem with them fighting or being aggressive with other dogs. I did not tolerate it. When it game to catching game on the ground I was always patching holes up, they had no quite in them and would actually fight to exhaustion. I never caught enough bears with them to see there attitude change.

I hunt plotts now and things have not changed much other than I have kids and my #1 rule is I will not keep a dog that I can not trust around my kids. I let them play with my kids in the yard all the time. My old male was attacked on the chain form a neighbors pitt and it was fight to the death. I was at work when this happened and when I got home 8 hours later and seen the aftermath, well you could imagine what it looked like.
Anyway my male now shows aggression towards other males especially one he has not seen before. I do correct him when he does this but I do not blame him for being that way. However I can still trust him around my kids.(By the way the plott came out on top)
So I think how raised and trained play a big part in there attitude.

But personlly I have seen more alligators in blueticks and most of them woul fight there owners.

Brindle wrote:There is absolutly NO pitbull in a plott dog.

i hate to burst your bubble but their is pit in plotts. a personal friend of mine hunted with taylor crockett and stopped hunting with him when he bred the pit in. taylor crocketts reason for the cross was he said he was getting to old and needed some more stopping power. plotts the taylor had did not have pitt in them from the grey boy dog he got from von back. just the crockett line to my knowledge. but it is possible for that strain to have made it out west if ricky red eagle took some with him when he left cherokee.

I am pretty sure there were 4 outcrosses made way back when the Plotts were new to the states.

Georgia spotted bear dog (could explain the different colors Plotts can get)

American Pitbull terrier (explains the builds and attitudes in some, just look at the build of Cabo)

A breed of running dog (explains some strains of Plott with thicker hair and flag tails)

Blevins Black and tan hound (High tan Plotts)

This is just what I have read and been told, not saying any of it is 100% true.

Does it really matter if Plotts have Pit in them from over 100 years ago? If I found out they were breeding pits to the plotts today it wouldn't make a bit of difference to me.

Plotts work for some and they don't work for others.

English Bulldogs used to be used for fighting bears and bulls... Now they are a disabled creature who snores, farts, can breed or have puppies on their own, can't swim, nothing. People changed them to make them work. If making outcrosses is what lead to me having Plotts today thank god they made those mixes.

At least they are something unique...