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Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:43 am
by Caincando1
I haven't experienced this personally, but from what I’ve heard from experienced terriermen, the UK badgers are not the same as the North American Badger. From what I’ve heard the badger here are bigger and much tougher. As for dogs killing Badgers, well anything is possible but how big of Badgers as we talking about? Adolescent Badgers aren’t all that big, where as a big mature adult can big a big ole son of a gun.
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:48 am
by justahunter
brett lehto dogs make very short work of one but hes got patterdales and a lurcher two or three patterdales do the job just fine but the lurcher dog does it one on one no problem and i have seen it not trying to start anything just saying what i saw. But a hound in my oppinion would be something i would have to see. i know my hounds could do it though
. I will tell you those dogs of bretts make short work of beaver too. but it takes all of them.
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:38 am
by 007pennpal
007pennpal wrote:
I did notice that the badger has two bulb like bones on the bottom of its skull near the throat area. I was wondering what these are for. Maybe they protect it from getting killed when bitten there.
Sean
I think you are looking at the auditory bullae. It's where the eardrum is.
Shane,
Ah ok, but now I'm confused with all those funny words...
Sean
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:32 am
by KTMracer
007pennpal wrote:007pennpal wrote:
I did notice that the badger has two bulb like bones on the bottom of its skull near the throat area. I was wondering what these are for. Maybe they protect it from getting killed when bitten there.
Sean
I think you are looking at the auditory bullae. It's where the eardrum is.
Shane,
Ah ok, but now I'm confused with all those funny words...
Sean
HA! Trust me I know the feeling. It took four years of being forced to memorize that stuff before the fog started to drift away for me.
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:11 am
by Majestic Tree Hound
I just don't know But them Europian Critter Look Quite Big ..
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:44 pm
by Hermit
in canada where i was the badgers go to about 20lb in the Uk the badger go to about 40lb but i believe the US badger is bigger than canada but not sure if bigger than the UK you would have to ask some of your hunters from the US
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:05 pm
by Caincando1
A quick google seach shows the difference between European and American badgers. From what I’ve read, the European badgers are indeed bigger, but not any where as aggressive and tough as their American counterparts. In fact they aren’t really the same animal and aren’t even closely related. I don’t want to turn this into a debate because this has been beat to death on the terrier boards. They simply are not comparable.
http://www.terrierman.com/lifehabitatbadger.htm
The American badger is not closely related to its European counterpart, and lives a very different lifestyle.
http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/20 ... adger.html
"Comparing the American badger to its British cousin (Meles meles), sometimes called a brock, is rather like comparing a high-speed blender to a swizzle stick. The Mr. Badger, of 'Wind in the Willows,' is far milder and much more gregarious than his American counterpart. The brock's face is white with black stripes on either side, and the face and body are slender, more weasel-like. The brock lives in a more or less permanent system of burrows and shares its quarters with others. The American badger is solitary, always on the move, traveling perhaps five to eight miles a night and digging a new burrow each morning to hole up in through the day. Some British householders hand-feed their resident brocks. Anyone taking a notion to hand-feed an American badger would probably be better served by putting his hand directly into a buzz saw."
http://www.ontariobadgers.com/aboutbadgers.html
The European badgers have a differently shaped head and eat more invertebrates than ours do (earthworms are one of their favourite foods!). They are also much more sociable than our solitary badgers, and often live in small groups or clans.
http://funkman.org/animal/mammal/badger.html
A member of the Weasel Family (Mustelidae), American Badger (Taxidea taxus) is not considered to be a “true badger” but is called “Badger.”
American Badger is a formable fighter. His compact body and powerful claws gives anyone wanting to attack American Badger pause for thought. While his attacker is thinking, American Badger digs into the soil so fast that He disappears into the ground. He chooses when to fight and when to leave.
Unlike Eurasian Badger (“true badger”), American Badger is usually solitary. He also has a reputation for sometimes being too aggressive.
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:10 pm
by Hermit
the canadian badger which i believe is the same as the US badger is more of a fighter and will come out of the sett to get to you or the dog but the main difference is the sett as the US badger when it go's into the sett at about 2-3 ft down there is a sharp turn that a dog has has to get around which gives the badger more of a chance to dig away when it knows there is somethink in the sett which you do not get in the UK badgers
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:56 pm
by 007pennpal
This is all pretty interesting to me. Does anyone in Oregon know of somebody that actually targets badger? I've never seen a badger dig type hunt. I'd just like to see it once.
Sean
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:37 pm
by Trueblue
I don't know much about it but I have messed around with badgers a little with my Patterdale and a Jagd over here in the desert of SW Idaho.If a Badger knows you are after him and has any kind of a head start,even seconds,he will back fill his hole faster than any dog can dig it out.If he doesn't know the dog is coming and the dog can actually get down the hole then you better have a back hoe waiting in the wings.
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:47 pm
by 007pennpal
This sounds like bull, so this is probably the site to post it, ha ha. I shot a badger with my compound bow and he bit the arrow as it went through him at over 200 feet per second. That is a fast strike.
Sean
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:29 pm
by STUNTMAN
Hey everybody Santa comming in a few days wait for him he'll be there.
As for those two hilljacks in the picture below, there dogs dont have a mark on them. The WWW. is great for that shit. Takes allot of balls to stand there and pose for that picture lol.
Badgers in the North America are not at the top of the food chain, coyotes, wolves, bears all have them on the menu. That makes them more aggressive the the Eroupean counter parts were nothing after the ban in the UK. bothers them.
Trueblue-your 100% correct !
Majestic Tree Hound wrote:I just don't know But them Europian Critter Look Quite Big ..
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:36 pm
by Bearkiller
Majestic Tree Hound wrote:Yep !!! I have several old Full Crys with some of the different "Games" as the Field Trial Foke begain to Tire and slack off .. and the Badger looked like a rough one .. And the Coon on a log was a good one too ..
We have had quite a few Run-ins with Badger out Grouse Hunting in the Red Desert of Wy. Theirs a pile of Badger out their !! One of our GSP was tracking some gouse thru some very thick and tall sage and must of stuck his nose down a hole, Well the GSP was STUCK right their with a Badger Locked on his snout.. We had to shoot over the Pointer nose down the hole to kill the Badger to get him loose, by the time we got back to Jeffery City to Patch him up his Nose was as big as a Base Ball.. Not Fun at All
Didn't you shoot one of your dogs because of a similar scenario with a bobcat? Ever heard of having balls and going in point blank?
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:44 pm
by Hermit
when i first saw a post badgers on the terrier boards that was first posted from the guys that hunted idaho they posted as they could not get there dogs onto the badger i know that they also had a UK terrierman go and hunt there that could also not get to it, i have always believed the problem was the soil as it was a very sandy soil that i felt that it was not slowing the badger down when digging away so it did not give the dog the time to get to it to stop it ,did any others try to dig to them on different soil if so did it make a difference
Re: Hounding badgers?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:58 pm
by Trueblue
I wouldn't call it sandy,at least where I am at,but it is a very fine soft soil that a badger can dig through very fast.It also makes a tremendous amount of dust, almost like a fog, and I didn't care much for my dogs breathing that in for any extended length of time.That story from the terrier forum sounds familiar.I bet that was Steve Thomas.