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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:56 pm
by david
red and white walker: you must be very proud to own a pup with that kind of heritage behind it.

In the picture, his colors look darker that the ones I had known. I think it is the lack of light, so wondering if you have any other pictures with more light.

For those who dont live in Western Washington or Western Oregon: When the sun comes out there, folks run for the basement and huddle together in the Northeast corner of the basement until it starts raining again and the danger is past.

I dont know, maybe you have a picture where you used a flash.

I got a female from Jess Lutrell before he died, and she looked similar (smaller head, tighter blaze, etc)
What is her temperament like, and how does she feel about people and stuff like that?

I did not know that Al and Francis Baker had done some breeding back and forth. If they did, then I bet your pup has some of that same blood that Vern Poole was hunting.


Someone mentioned Bobby Brown. I remember meeting him on a certain road in the coastal mountains one afternoon. When I came back through hours later, I met him on the same road again. I stopped and we talked awhile. He was buying furs and asked me to bring him my cats. I asked him why he was still on that road and he told me he was checking the road every so often until a cat crossed it. I never knew anyone else to hunt that way, but you sure would save on fuel and have nice track to run!
Cats crossed that road every day, so a guy sure could do it.

I am pretty sure he had a Plott dog, and I remember thinking in my youthful ignorance "how is he going to catch a cat with that thing". Now I know better. Now I know a lot better.

I remember his fur shed. He had a big drum that tumbled like a drier. It had warm sawdust in it. Those furs came out of there looking and smelling so beautiful. I remember wishing I could have a smaller version of that thing in my home. There is just something about clean, nicely put up fur. I am sure when he sold those furs he got top dollar.

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:25 pm
by Daniel Tremblay
heres the only actual photo that i have of her that is any good. sorry about the other picture. it was actually a captured sceen from a movie i recorded this hunting season.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee36 ... ng2058.jpg

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:08 pm
by david
Ok, the shade of red is still the same. That is pretty amazing. If the 'Bruno' Wingpatch talks about, purchased in the early 60's looked this same way (as the Bruno, and "Jigs", and my female of the early 80's did) that is just pretty amazing Keep us posted on how she turns out. Thanks for the pictures. (you are a brave man going out in the sun like that).

If anyone reading this has any info on the great bobcat hunters of the Northeast, or Texas, etc, it would be great to read about them.

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:14 am
by Mel White
Red and white i have a female out of one of the bruno dogs (i think Bruno 2). i bred her allmost three years ago. she had 6 pups. three were red and white like yours. she was my main dog at 16 months old. i bought her from emer at a year old and i think she had allready been on 80 cats or so. elmer could sure train some young dogs.

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:34 pm
by Daniel Tremblay
Man i sure wish i had someone to help me train my pup, she has such good genetics. I sometimes feel like i am wasting a good dog. But i guess this next year will be the truth teller when she is actually old enough to know what is going on during hunting season.

zip

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:16 pm
by U.R.E.
I would have to say without hesitation Zip F. from Gold Beach Oregon. He is of very sound moral character as well as a fantastic dog trainer

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:09 pm
by Melanie Hampton
red&whitewalker wrote:Man i sure wish i had someone to help me train my pup, she has such good genetics. I sometimes feel like i am wasting a good dog. But i guess this next year will be the truth teller when she is actually old enough to know what is going on during hunting season.


Daniel, if you are not already planning to, you need to go to the OUSDA convention in Canby at the end of the month. There will be a lot of guys there, and a few who actually know what they are doing. You might be able to talk to some of those guys and see what happens...

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:52 pm
by david
U.R.E. I was wondering when Zip's name would show up. I have only met him and hunted with him once, but it was a memorable time, and it is good to know that first impressions were correct.

He was showing me a dog, I forgot the dogs name but a tall handsome Walker male, bigger than all the other dogs I had seen used in the coast. The dog opened on the rig, and Zip let him down. He dissapeared into the woods, and after a few minutes opened up over a quarter mile from where he was let down. The dog was wide open, I beleive it took him that long and that far to get to the track he had winded, as the cat was not far from him when he hit the track. I was impressed with this dog's ability to get to what he had winded so far away so quickly.

I have seen many dogs that probably would have opened on that cat but would not have had the ability to zero in on it so quickly, and maybe not at all.

Zip had given more thought and study into the peculiarities of scent than most anyone I have ever talked to. There is only one other person that I have encountered that even came close to understanding scent the way Zip did.

We did not catch that cat, but I had the opportunity to watch him walking on top of a unit of thinned trees for a couple minutes befor he went out of my sight. He came within about 60 feet of me.

For anyone reading who has never seen this, The thinnners come into a unit of young trees and cut down every tree but one every so many feet. The trees lay criss crossed held off the ground by their branches and the trees under them. Cats walk through these units without ever touching the ground. It is extremely difficult for a human to get through. Hard on dogs too. I never had a dog that could catch a cat that hit the thinning. I have heard of them. Never seen one. It is beyond me how any dog could do it.

zip

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:43 pm
by U.R.E.
I hunt primarily Redbones but was honored when Zip offered me a pup out of BJ and Ann. Her name is Dink. She is showing great promise at 7 months.
If anyone has ever seen dogs that have gone through those thinning patches can attest to the resemblance between your dogs “undercarriage” and burger meat.
We camp and hunt quite a bit together throughout the year. I always look forward to it.
What did you think of his dog box?

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:20 pm
by Houndhead
Is Zip still making dog boxes?My brother visited with him when he was at Sam Faulk's.I'm not sure if Zip had any of Sam's bloodline,but Sam always spoke highly of Zip as a friend and a catman.There was also a man by the name of Garcia Underwood that was using Falk bred dogs for cat hunting.

Re: zip

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:34 pm
by david
U.R.E. wrote:What did you think of his dog box?


It has been years since the one time I got to hunt with him. Even as I wrote my last post about Zip, I was thinking there was something striking about his dog box, but I could not think of what it was. Dog boxes and trucks dont mean much to me, (I have seen way too many $10,000-$40,000 trucks with $700.00 dog boxes hauling $50.00 dogs) so it is pretty amazing that I even noticed it, but I did. My Alzymers disease wont let me think of why.

True....True

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:21 pm
by U.R.E.
I couldn't agree more. Zip puts a ton of pride in his boxes but does't alow his pride to make judgement of you or your box. Thats the kind of man he is...

barnes,marten,monroe,mears

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:36 am
by cecil j.
david wrote:Tim, It is really good to hear Dewey is going strong, and still helping out young hunters. He is a good man, and a great hunter. I sent you a PM.

Cecil, I have not heard Tommy's name much any more either. I know he witnessed a horrible logging accident where his son was killed. It makes my heart heavy every time I think of it. I think after that, Tommy kind of dropped out of the scene. I still pray for him when I think of it. I wish there was more I could do, but I dont know what it would be, since I was not close to him.

When I met Tommy Barnes, I had been away from home awhile and a little rough. I knocked on his door there in Forks, Washington (on the tip of the Olympic Penninsula) and got the shock of my life. When the door opened, there stood the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. The fact that I had not seen a woman in a while might have influenced my perception, but to this day, I remember her as the most beautiful woman I ever saw. This was Tommy's wife. They had bought a comercial grade sewing machine and she was making fur garments out of Tommy's bobcat hides. At this time he was catching in the neighborhood of 100 cats each season.

Elmer Blankenship said that Forks, WA is a bobcat hunters heaven, and a bobcat hunter's wife's hell. There is (was) just nothing there for a woman. That is a large part of the reason why Elmer moved away from Forks, and I can only immagine it was a large part of the reason Tommy moved away from there also.

At the time I met Tommy, I know that he had been fooling around with some Sam Faulk stuff. Sam would not keep anything that would not bite a bear, and yet Tommy said he was having some success with them as bobcat dogs. I did not know that Tommy had gotten anything from Shorty Martin and Ronnie Monroe.

I myself bred a female to a direct son out of Spring Creek Rock that Shorty Martin had. He had a direct son of Finely River Banjo at the time also. I think Ronnie was at Shorty's house when I showed up there. I had heard those guys like to sit around and play bluegrass music, so I brought my mandolin along. They were good musicians and it was a good time.

Tommy Barnes did a little trading with Al Lutrell back around that time.
He sold his Babe dog to Al for $20,000.00 Of course that made the headlines of the bobcat hunters Gazette. But the next headline a few days later was when Tommy bought her back for , I think, $22,000.00

That was alot of money back then.

I was sitting on Ray Mear's porch the first time Al Lutrell (Sr.) drove up that long dirt road to Ray's log cabin. Babe had been heavy in Ray's breeding and Al was up there to do a little research. Ray's son Lonnie was the man who had promoted Finely River Dan, and Ray himself had Dan's littermate brother "Sonny". Ray had around 40 dogs at the time. Every one of them was important to his program, and he could spend 1/2 hour talking about any one of them, and everything in their background.

Ray had been in an auto accident and was not longer able to care for those dogs. Ray lived in the hills above Salt Creek, and was only about 20 minutes from where I lived in Dallas, so I went up there daily to care for his dogs, and help Ray and Bernice with anything heavy or difficult. They had no electricity, and I did not look forward to the day when the big propane tank had to be loaded up and taken to town for a refill.
They used the propane for light and cooking, but used a wood stove for heat.

Ray trained cats too, but not for the purposes Everett and Vern had. Ray would not have anything but a pure white cat. He always had one trained to live in his feed shed. The cat was trained to never come out if the door was opened. Ray would start the kitten about like you might start a pup. He would put the kitten in a barrel with a live mouse and stuff like that, until that kitten was "mouse minded" and ready to be depended upon to do the job.

Ray Mears was a combination hunter, but he sure taught me alot about bobcat hunting. He would drill me like a lawyer about every single detail of my hunts and then he would comment on every issue, and usually have a story or two that related in some way. I know it was very hard on him to not be able to hunt, so he was hunting through me about the same way I am hunting through all you good folks on this board (since I no longer hunt).

Once he told me a story about a dead battery in his truck. He built a fire in front of the truck and burned it down to coals. Then he rolled the truck over the coals to warm up the battery and the engine oil, and Zing! it started up like a new battery. About a month later, I was stranded in the mountains by a dead battery, and due back at the church were I was a pastor. I remembered Ray's story, and I just remember shouting "Ray Mears I love you!!!" as I turned that key and my engine popped off like new after warming it up with coals. I was a little late for the meeting, But at least I made it.
thanks buddie/ you shed light on alot for me by what ya said .Ralph said tommy was sort of soft spoken not real big/ but widely known too hold more than his own if it got too that, he just thought the world of tommy barns ! Your right about the banjo dog of shortys and the female ronnie had and they went on an made a dynist line crosses for coon and bear and elmo an tommy got some of it and they hunted it on cat and bred it in/tommy told me that hiself .
ray rohdes/ haven hurd that name in 40 yrs by thunder but remember him an farris snowden was real good buddies and competteors ! Ray use too run the ca swims and field trials for us in ca. up on the patterson pond . shorty dearly loved him, we all chereshed him/ i think he got snake bit in his own woodpile at home but got over itin the cold of winter an ray was no spring chicken then .

thanks, jack

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:11 am
by bearcat
I ran in to Tommy Barnes a couple years ago when I was hunting oregon and last I heard he was still hunting. A couple men I surprised haven't been mentioned are George Justice and old man Don Hall. Probably the best bobcat hunter and by far the best dog trainer I ever hunted around was Glen Dotson.

Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:22 pm
by david
Bearcat, was Glen Dotson related to Sam Dotson? Where is he from?

I dont know what Sam is hunting now, but I know at one time he was hunting some of the Washburn Walkers. (Among other good traits, the Washburns made good rig dogs. I bought one named Katie that somehow would always open a few seconds befor anything else had a clue. It is kind of a mystery to me how she could always sense it befor alot of other great rig dogs could. Nice line of dogs.)