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The facts are that corn based foods are cheap and easy for guys to feed. That is why so many guys don't want to hear the truth. Take some time, find a source for free meat and add it to your dogs corn food and your dogs will be healthier in the long run and have more stamina. You can feed a dog corn his whole life and he will live just fine. But you will have more heath problems overall then a dog that is fed a proper diet. Things like liver and kidney problems and a host of other issues that show up later in life.
I have two dogs right now that I raised and both of them are 15lbs heavier then thier siblings that a buddy has. My dogs bone structure is much heavier and thier muscle mass is noticably better. And thier coat is soft and thier hair is longer. So unless you can see the visual effects of feeding a dog a proper diet, then how can you say "my dogs do fine on corn feed."

I don't think ANYONE would argue with the practice of adding quality meat to a quality kibble.That is different than saying straight kibble is bad for your dog or that corn in a dry kibble is bad for your dog and has no nutritional value.Whether you want to believe it or not,dogs do live full, happy,healthy lives on dry dog food.You can't blame all health problems in canines on food especially when many,many health problems can be attributed to genetics.Just look at all the different breeds out there and look how so many of them suffer from health issues because in our breeding practices, and the desire for a dog to look a certain way,we have created breeds that are unhealthy from the day they hit the ground.Dogs,just like people can be genetically predisposed to many different illnesses and allergies regardless of what you feed them.

Ive run sled dogs (Not mine but part of a 300 dog team operation in Canada) and hunting dogs.
The top racing guys feed their animals well, & supplement fish, meat with Good kibble.
Not old roy either.

Corn is a filler. Nothing more.
Its not bad per say, but there are other carbs (liek Brown Rice) that are much better, less allergic and more digestible.

The way corn is grown anymore, can sometimes be lethal and toxic, given GMO.
And if its Made in Communist China, it IS garbage and potentially lethal.

That said, I found a good feed at Costco that is $23 for a 50# bag, and is no corn, soy or wheat. Or Chinese.

The number ONE food allergy in dogs, according to veterinarians, is guess what......BEEF!

cobalt wrote:The number ONE food allergy in dogs, according to veterinarians, is guess what......BEEF!

Because SAID beef is fed (Grown) on GMO Corn!
And pesticide, herbicides, antibiotics, steroids and other crap.

Chicken and lamb seem to be best for allergies.
Venison is also excellent.


You cant get around the fact that nothing about GMO is good.
Talk to a farmer.
Ask them about mutations of animals they see...2 and 3 heads on crayfish in nearby ditches and drains.
Youre talking about toxins. Soy is as bad, or worse.
In humans it is terrible, raising estrogen levels in men. And much of our food supply is fed this crap, all comes from Monsanto.

One can feed a dog well on many foods and not go broke. As mentioned mine get Costco for $23 and its excellent.
No corn, soy or wheat, mostly Chicken, rice, egg and flax.

I feed mostly dry food but like I said the Nutro I feed is super high quality and expensive I wont even say. Dogs need dry food to help clean there teeth.

Boarhunter,your comments remind me of a quote I once heard."The capacity of the human mind to resist new knowledge is infinite."

"Listening to KHWG me an my old dog. Listening to KHWG and eating corn. KHWG's the station for all the nation".....

This is what comes to my mind when I read this topic. Yawn

Trueblue wrote:Boarhunter,your comments remind me of a quote I once heard."The capacity of the human mind to resist new knowledge is infinite."

Henry Ford said 'Thinking is the hardest kind of work, and why so few engage in it'

Wolves and Coyotes in the wild dont raid farmers corn, even though its readily available, except for when starving.
They feed ON animals that do.

Corn is a cheap filler.
Most US dog food is crap, alot more is coming from Communist China.

Feed your dogs what you like, but dont tell me corn on a regular basis, grown with Genetically Modified Seeds, pesticides, herbicides and chemical fertilizer, is good for dogs..or humans.

Very interesting topic here guys.
? What is the name of the dog food from costco?
I am having a little problem with a new set of dogs on the feed I am feeding at present,the female does fine or shall I say better than the male does on it as I can not get any mass on him.
Please give some recommendations on a reasonably priced well put together dog food.
I also back in the day seen old school dog men make thier own dog food out of meat,corn meal,fat of some sorts and boil down to a food for their dogs. Not exactly sure on the mixture but it was home brewed.
My dogs are young female 10 months-male is 7 months.
Been feeding the type of food I have because that is all that is available close,now I WILL TRAVEL to get quality food.Located in greybull,wyoming....
Thanx for any help---Tim

tjsna wrote:Very interesting topic here guys.
? What is the name of the dog food from costco?
I am having a little problem with a new set of dogs on the feed I am feeding at present,the female does fine or shall I say better than the male does on it as I can not get any mass on him.
Please give some recommendations on a reasonably priced well put together dog food.
I also back in the day seen old school dog men make thier own dog food out of meat,corn meal,fat of some sorts and boil down to a food for their dogs. Not exactly sure on the mixture but it was home brewed.
My dogs are young female 10 months-male is 7 months.
Been feeding the type of food I have because that is all that is available close,now I WILL TRAVEL to get quality food.Located in greybull,wyoming....
Thanx for any help---Tim

Kirkland Natural Dog.

Ingredients: Chicken, chicken meal, whole grain brown rice, cracked pearled barley, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and vitamin E), egg product, beet pulp, potatoes, fish meal, flaxseed, natural flavor, brewers dried yeast, millet, dried chicory root, carrots, peas, kelp, apples, cranberry powder, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, rosemary extract, parsley flake, taurine, yucca schidigera extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, L-carnitine, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid



Ive fed it for over 3 years, and it works fine.
$23 for 50#bag is a great value.

Boarhunter,
Thanx for your info.
I read the bag of sh*t I was feeding them and was shocked as to the ingredients in it.
I am switching today.
My fault as price was driving my decisions but not anymore,the dogs deserve better.
Tim

This is just my 2¢ and nothing else. During season I always switch to a higher protien food because the dogs will be working harder. Offseason begets a lower protien. I want them to have enough energy to maintain, but thats about it.

We raise our own beef and pork plus we also have game we harvest so meat scraps added to the dogfood bowl are pretty common. One thing that Ive always done eventhough some may ridicule, is feed table scraps. Everyone has their own opinion, but this works for me. I hate leftovers and the dogs love the scraps. Im not the healthiest eater, mostly meat, potatos, gravy and biscuits. One thing I dont care to do is eat corn the day before Im gonna be miles from anywhere all bundled up in a bunch of warm clothes chasing the hounds. Why would I wanna put my dogs thru this too? As I said, we feed out our own beef and pork. Guess what we feed to these stationary animals that are ina small enclosure that we want to get fat. Now take a guess at what all of the little yellow spots are that are in the big green piles plopped allover the feedpen. Corn. Im not saying that it doesnt have a purpose, but I sure as heck wouldnt want to eat it everyday and Im not convinced it is good for a working animal to survive on a corn based diet either.

The humble corn, what a debate! I guess I'll quit the Doritos

I'm scared of the Chinese dog food too .

I fed just dry dog food for years and the dog's teeth were crappy covered with tarter, now with the frozen ground beef and bone the teeth are great the vet comments every time he sees the dogs.

I can get the Kirkland here and like it but only 40 lb bags and more money.

I wonder what health problems would arise from long-term feeding only the ground beef and bone (probably mostly muscle) probably run into health issues. Terry

Update,
I switched to a feed similar to kirkland (mine still has a little corn in it) add one egg a day and now a little freshly killed antelope and the dogs are doing awesome. May have to back down on the amount I feed my female as she is getting a little heavy (she tells me it is just water gain the wife tells me the same thing and i don't believe her either)!
Learned a little while at the vets office awhile back,here in greybull,wy. area vet tells me the heartworm issue is BS and to not worry about it as it has never been confirmed in this area. I thought this is a mosquito issue and most all carried it? Anyway I give my dogs ivomectin 1cc a month and that takes care of this issue in case vet is full of BS. been giving this product for over twenty years now as I formerly lived in IL. and it was an issue there.
Thanks for all the replies I got on this issue--Tim