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Ken

I'm not sure I follow you on the rural Communities and economic development.
If this clears the Senate and Governor Kitzhaber signs it into law, it will have no problem being added to all the rural counties across Oregon except the larger Portland Metro, Clackamas, Multnomah counties to name a few also Eugene,Lane County etc.

Here is our biggest issue....How do we get the vote out to support this during mid term elections?

Mike
It seems that it will get assigned to a committee in the senate and the rural communities is the one we want. The other one is Environment and Natural Resources and Jackie Dingfelder is the chair. She will not even give it a hearing. EVERYBODY needs to take the time to e-mail and call the senators on the OOC web page again. Lets keep them busy with our support.OOC has it set up very easy.
Ken Driessen

Ken

I had a conversation yesterday with Rep. Brad Witt's office and the indication was this legislation is not going by way of Jackie Dingfelder.She allowed two previous house bills to die without a vote and didn't even bring either to the floor for a vote, she simply ran out the clock and both bills died the last two years in a row. I was told Sen. Peter Courtney, but have not confirmed this at present.

For those that don't follow the process.....This is going to be a tough battle. This legislation falls under the current crimes bill and therefore requires a two thirds majority to pass.The numbers are 14 Senate Republicans to 16 Senate Democrats for 30 total. We would need 6 Democrats to not vote their caucus. 6 total Senate Democrats seem so few except when it comes to hunting. I'm Not sure if we have any Republicans that would reject voting for this legislation.

Please folks, take the time to contact every Senator in Salem.

I will take my chances any time vs. trying to convince a majority population of Democrats to vote for passage by voter inititative. This is it!

Mike

Last week the Oregon house legislature passed H.B. 2624, 40-19 in favor of allowing a County by County vote for cougar hunting with hounds.This legislation will be killed by the Democrats in the Senate in a few short weeks. Quick history lesson. 2007, The same legislature passed H.B. 2971 allowing sport hunters to assist Odfw in managing out of control over populated cougars across Oregon. Odfw decided to hire Usda and contractors instead of using sport hunters who could generate a revenue for a broke Oregon State. This method was conducted and still is on the backs of tax paying citizens. I have received several disturbing emails from both Odfw and Usda from my request under the freedom of information act.

Portland Oregon,Usda head David Williams wrote, Mike, if your question is, are we required to take female cougar and her kittens should we encounter them in our equipment or have them treed then my response is: whoever is doing the administrative removal of cougars (wildlife services or other Odfw agents) they are to pursue cougars randomly and should they capture a female with kittens then all of them are to be euthanized (killed) by the agent.

Here is the email response from Odfw Administrator Ronald Anglin to me last year.

Mike, Cougars killed on damage can be kept by the landowner to do as they please-some keep some don't. Cougars killed in the target areas are primarily taken to the landfill.
Yep, you read this correct and one more time liberal animal rights activist politicians will continue to support the Government Slaughter of both bear and cougar on the backs of tax paying citizens just as long as sport hunters are excluded from ethical sport hound hunting. This is messed up! How does this qualify as management.

A few guys on this board support the killing of females and kittens indicating an opinion about sport hunters and there unwillingness to kill the females and kittens to meet management objectives....Here is my opinion. How is killing all your females and kittens management over the long haul?....We sport hunters could meet management objectives far easier than Government, We need not kill the lactating females like Usda and agents are mandated. We could easily harvest dry legal females and kill more management cats without killing the females and kittens until quotas are reached. Simply Allow them to grow to mature animals, then harvest them....Here is my question? Is this about management or complete eradication?....Once more, if a bone head on this board would kill a sub cougar, crap would hit the fan but as long as YOUR GOVERNMENT is doing your killing, Sport hound hunters seem content to put up with this crap! WHY?

mike arnt you allowed to run your dogs on problem lions ? what do you do when you tree a lion with kittens or a bear with cubs ? im just wondering what ODFW tells you, you have to do.

the bill did go to Jackie dingerfelder everyone needs to email and call her to let her know that just letting this one die isn't going to work for sportsmen she needs to do her job

Yes, you can use dogs for both bear and cougar on private property when an issue happens such as livestock, crops or timber damage has occurred with reasonable proof to verify those damages, such as a dead cow, calf, horse, peeled tree, crops etc. I plan on doing so until I quit hunting, I don't need none of this legislation for myself. I fight for our rights, all of our rights. This should not even be an argument if we had a lobby that understands what goes on behind the scenes and who does what in wildlife management.

Why would any single person be surprised at this going to Jackie Dingfelder?.....I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MANY YEARS.....UNTIL YOU CUT THE HEAD OFF OF THE SNAKE, IT WILL BITE YOU!

Just so happens, I will be meeting with our District 17 rep. this evening. This will be discussed. I will get some feed back as to what to expect one more time..... Dingfelder will sit on this bill like a duck does an egg and kill the clock. The Senate will not even vote on this legislation. Who thinks I'm wrong?

Here is the latest update from tonight, May 9.

Dist.17 Rep. Sprenger seems to think enough information is in the hands of all our elected officials to pass this legislation this round since Oregon is so broke, almost to the point of being bankrupt.

Sure wished I could agree with this notion! I have been advised the best round of action is to email all State Senators and be direct and polite. Also if you know any people who live in Jackie Dingfelder's District 23, That is the N.E. and S.E. Portland area, have a resident friend or family member of this district email support for this legislation.

Jackie Dingfelder chairs the Senate environmental and natural resources committee and is anti from the word anti. Rep. Sprenger did comment on the OOC President Stan Steele and really likes and respects him and enjoys the relationship she shares with Stan.

Mike

Well I called all the senaters offices on the committe and e-mailed them. I could not get one of them to tell me if they are in favor of this bill or oppose it. I did ask if the phone lines were busy and they said they had only received 9 CALLS! Hopfully the people on this site are going to do there part and call on Monday. Thanks for the update Mike. I believe this coming week will be our day to be heard but am not sure.

Ken

When you know beyond a doubt this bill is sent where it was to simply kill it, why would you not look to pull out all the stops? Here is the bottom line for you naïve thinkers....If these politicians had the proper information, do you really think they would choose snares set over rank baits and killing sows bears and baby cubs called unknowns and dumped like trash over hounds on the backs of Oregonian citizens, including those liberals in Portland that now assist in funding Federal Government? I can agree a mistake was made when your own polling indicates resistance to "baiting", but you included it in the bill anyhow? Why was bear with hounds dropped with baiting?

Because you did not make the politicians understand what is happening in the field, that's why! Jerod Broadfoot said he was worried about the trapping bill. How would trapping be impacted by Government or contractors slinging the guts out of bears for corporations have any thing to do with private sport trappers using steel jaw traps or slide snares NOT MECHANICALLY FIRED ANKLE CATCH SNARES SET OVER RANK BEEF HEADS TIED HIGH IN A TREE IN A CUBBY SET? You really don't understand the process or know how to defend your trapping, simple as that!

Rep. Sprenger is pro hound and after four years of dealing with this matter still does not understand how the system works in Oregon. I asked her how H.B. 3636 passed without a single no vote from either party in the House and Senate. This bill insures funding for Government. Why does anyone think Odfw gives a rats a@@ about you and your hounds when they have your dollars hard at work hiring Government and contractors hounds? Who was the lobby for 3636? Odfw can't legally lobby or involve themselves in the political process, but they manage to get there way on ALL issues they want to support, those same politicians that hate your guts all voted in favor to have you pay Government to do your hunting, even Sprenger and Gerod!

Who thinks ODFW is pro hound? Call Johnny Young and ask him for an opinion! How is it he has held a permit to keep a raccoon for many years and uses the coon at the field trials and some how after Jerry Ray mentions coon to ODFW's Nancy Taylor, ODFW ends up on Johnny's door step....How in the hell do convince me ODFW likes us when Johnny can't even get a damn permit to conduct a field trial at the water race ponds issued from ODFW? Keep in mind Nancy is living with the USDA trapper for our own Linn County Oregon. This is a conflict of interest and needs exposed. Why do you think she hates sport hound hunters guts with a passion? Maybe it would remove beans from her table and take away the job of her boytoy? WAKE UP!

This is the place we need to have the open debate....Some of you guys on this board think I'm dead wrong....Log on and give my your best analogy why you know I'm wrong. This is like the bumper sticker that reads "coexist"....Pretty damn hard when all people want to do is kill you.

Why would you not take the kill reports and build a case. Bring Odfw, Usda and those who can make a case to the floor for an honest debate and shut this crap down once and for all. This is a classic example that reminds my of our last Presidential debates. The media (ODFW) reporting to politicians gives nothing but spin on the truth....Why in the hell do you think 6 liberal Democrats are going break voting their caucus and join the conservatives?

Nine phone calls is more than I expected to happen. Two years ago, I was in Salem at Gerod's office and was told, go home, we have this one in the bag for sure! Yeah we did! The same liberal that is handling this legislation didn't even bring the bill for a vote, I understand it will at least get a vote this time, it is real easy to say nay! If we had half as much support for our rights as we do to attend the gathering we would be unstoppable in Oregon or in any State.

Once bear hunting with hounds was dropped from 2624,should be a solid indicator that even a blind Stevie Wonder could see for miles, this crucial information is still stuck out of sight and out of mind. What would it hurt to have the information or better known as the truth laid on the table and lose knowing you at least had the debate and give it all you had.....
If you find yourself engaged in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Why not fight to win?
Mike 541-602-1398

Two years ago when the legislature was voting on H.B. 2237, I was present the day this bill would either get a vote or the clock simply run out and it was DOA. Here is how the day went, I was Present in one of our State Senator's office and a conversation brewed over the guaranteed passage of 2237 and 'it's in the bag"....I asked the question, how can this be in the bag before a vote is taken?......Well, because here is how it works in Salem, the Democrats want this and we want that, so we bargained something for this hunting legislation and it is going to pass. Well, low and behold this legislation never made it to the Senate floor for a vote.

How does this crap work for you? I really don't care if we lose a battle, but don't tell me you bundled our rights on the back of other important legislation, what could be traded for hunting in Oregon with hounds? How about gun legislation that I hear is close to being dead in Salem?.....What will we trade a liberal Democrat for this time? Here is where the rubber hits the road.....This tanks this round, I will lobby to kill bundling any thing in Salem and will do so even if this does pass! Next will be the total budget for State and Federal Government to use Government instead of sport hunters as a management tool for Oregon starting with a repeal of H.B. 3636.

This legislation, all of it including the use of jelly donuts for bear should pass 100% when compared to rank beef heads left out in the sun to rot for attracting All Black bears to cubby sets used by Government and contractors and calling the practice more ethical, moral and humane game management than the use of sport hounds! This folks is simply bullshit!

How to make them take notice {if this could or would happen} not one hunting or fishing
licence bought in your state or mine for that matter. Just a thought.
John

John

That would be a good start. I would also hit them with a lawsuit claiming ODFW rejected the will of the legislature and Governor in 2007 under H.B. 2971. That was the one that paved the way for sport hunters who were rejected for USDA Government by State Government or better known as ODFW. I didn't start this fight. Government chose to screw all of us....Kind of like watching Government on a National level if you don't understand this stuff!

How is this legislation stuff working for me ask one board member? Last year knowing we had a strong lobby, I decided to bow out and allow the architects of lobby "handle public relations" and instead I went to Canada and enjoyed some bear hunting like it should be enjoyed here in Oregon.

After the defeat of 2237 two years ago, I thought, maybe it best be handled by the "pros", walk away and watch the magic unfold before our very eyes, Please don't ask me such an ignorant question any more! I have only pushed to secure this legislation and continue to fight for our god given rights! It strikes me rather odd that this legislative stuff is this difficult!

Why does any single person think you can make someone like you, when in reality all you must do is watch their actions and see how policy plays out and you don't have to be real bright to understand....We as a Nation seem to follow the same path when it comes to our other global enemies! They seem to all want and spend our money and burn our flag and kill us in the same breath.....How ironic, we continue to repeat the same acts over and over and expect different results.

All outdoorsman are in this fight against the anti's together and trappers and houndsmen are at the top of the things being attacked. Its hard to fight bills in court against houndsmen when deer and elk hunters help throw them under the bus. I realize bear snares are not legal to the public but it will still be used against trappers. Houndsmen have been thrown under the bus by hunters enough why would they want to do that to trappers? We can't split up or we will not last long we have to band together with hunters, trappers, fisherman, and the whole lot. Just my opinion.

Wyoming

Point very well taken. This is a pretty hard pill to swallow....Unfortunately, We have been tossed under the bus by our very own Game Department. Trapping is not defined by Mechanically fired cable snares and is exclusive to those few who engaged in Damage control. Protected from anti trapping law soon to come....This has not a shred of anything to do with Trapping. Educating our politicians is impossible, most don't really care that Government is slaughtering our wildlife. There is something magic about Government. Look at our situation all across America and tell me I'm wrong!

Mike

I talked to State Rep. Mike McLane. He said its sitting dead in Senate and to call and E-mail Senate President Peter Courtney. 503-986-1600.