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al baldwin wrote:Mike, I never hunted with the shane hound. Stopped by Lloyd/s once & he showed me shane & said he planned on breeding him to Lighting, I ask if he was a good cat dog, Lolyd stated he was a hard tree dog, but would false tree some on a bobcat, but did real good on bear. Lighting was a grandaughter of the chub dog I owned. I had bred chub( who was about 1/4 running blood ) to a registered bluetick female named Sparkle. Sparkle was sired by a hound named Dan, that was a son from one of Dave Dean/s early Hammer stud/s. Sparkle/s dame, was a registered blue female from JC/s Grandad/s line of registered blueticks. From that Chub & Sparkle cross I gave Allen Barnett a female & male pup. Allen had good success catching cats with them and crossed those full littermates. That full littermate crossed produced the Lighting female that Lloyd bred to shane, And the lighting & shane cross has a big influence on the hounds John hunts today. 0f coarse JC HAS THAT BLOOD AS WELL AS LOTS OF OTHER BLOOD IN HIS PACK. Jasper, the name rings a bell, but cannot remember how. Al

Greetings David, HIEDE came from the Shane & Lighting written about above. There were two Heidi females and if I have the wrong one JC OR JOHN WILL CORRECT ME PLEASE. AL

if u bought her in the late 80s it was the first Heidi if u bought her in the late 90s it was the 2nd. the second Heidi was littermates to CINDY, KELLY, PUSHER, WILLIE , AND BUCK. She was the worst of the litter. The first Heidi was a super cat dog . she was mean at the tree though.

jc

Give me the hound with the most heart, drive & desire to catch. Those 3 traits right there will catch plenty of game. Even besting more talented dogs lacking any 1 of those 3. John.

you should run for president jon. u always say what people want to hear. pussy.

jc

merlo_105 wrote:Twist,
Your a funny guy Im gonna go out on a short limb and say that last comment you made was directed to the post I started. A well conditioned dog will most likely gain speed along with the more he is put out on game... I see your from Montana where the ground is light of underbrush and blow downs yeah your dogs might seem quik there but run them in the thick jungle of WA, and Or see how they fair then. Might not be as quik as your believe them to be. JMO

I have my strain from one end of the country to the other with great success can put you in contact with the ones on the westcoast that are getting the job done if you wish.Andy

you should run for president jon. u always say what people want to hear. pussy.

jc

At 14 old talker could still catch cats, those 3 traits are all he had left. You know I'm right. John.

Well here I go again throwing in my 2 cents but in my opinion I realy like blue dogs my best dogs a blue dog no matter what I'm running and garontied that dogs issint gonna get blown out of the water by any pack of dogs could just be because the drive he has but I've hunted with a lot of people's dogs and my blue dogs always right there in the front but then again I don't know shit about running dog crosses because I've never owned one so for all I know them runnin cross dogs mite burn circles around my pack of mutts I've always kinda thought that maybe a running dog doesn't have quite the nose as some of the good cold nosed tree hounds and speeds great if you can work up that old track and get that cat jumped but then again like I said before I know nothing about running bred dogs so I'm just speaking my opinion witch isn't much considering I don't know the first thing about running bred dogs I guess to each his own what works for one guy mite not for the next I'll turn out any breed or colar hound if it catches game consistently I'm happy and good post jc I'm always interested in what breeds other guys hunt and how that breed does for them even if the topic ruffles a few feather

jasper was out of lightnings brother and a treeing walker from back east. My dad raised him and gave him to Steve Rayivich . Loyd Basey bought him from steve and sold him to jim hickey.

jc

coastrangecathunting wrote:Trueblue, u made the first remark to me about being raised with junk. My dad caught a ton of game with those dogs I was raised with. The first day he ever took me bear huntin we treed 3 that day. They were all blueticks. I personally think blueticks are the most natural all around dog . Rigging , treeing , trailing . I like a tight mouth dog. When I say tight mouth I mean a dog that opens every hundred yrd when coldtrailing and full open on the jump. when there is a lose shut up. Not all blueticks but the majority I have been around bark to much for me on a cat race. Hope that make since. I said sorry because I knew this would turn in to a heated discussion. So I ask again why do u choose to hunt one verses the other. Mike the shane lightning cross is in the litter warner and I made 7 times in 6 generations.

jc

I just assumed you must not have had much of an appreciation for any of the dogs you grew up with as you don't seem to want anymore of that now, and by the way you started this thread it seemed as if you had a low regard for blue dogs in general.Most of us base our opinions on what we have had in the past.Thought you might be doing the same.

no hard feelings here. I like both breeds , I just prefer the sound of the race with the tighter mouthed dog. gotta get up soon to go to work peace out my brothers. lol

jc

Thanks J.C.
I figured the Jasper dog was also from down in your neck of the woods. He was another nice dog and dang sure stuck with a mean bear. He would always come out to greet you when you were about 100 yards from the tree. Back then when you dropped all those dogs, you were going to walk in to a tree...

Mike

mike martell wrote:Thanks J.C.
I figured the Jasper dog was also from down in your neck of the woods. He was another nice dog and dang sure stuck with a mean bear. He would always come out to greet you when you were about 100 yards from the tree. Back then when you dropped all those dogs, you were going to walk in to a tree...

Mike

Small world Mike, that jasper traces back to Chub, Belle, Spike,( George Nelson) & Deacon. Chub/s Dame was a littermate to Deacon. Does not surprise Jasper would bay a mean bear. When I sold deacon, my thinking chub will no longer stay on a mean bear. I sure found out different. Also jasper traced back to most all Tom Barnett dogs thru Chub. Chub was Jasper/s Grand Sire. Then he also traced back to the Padgett Family Blueticks & Dave Dean/s Hammer Blood. Just a little history thought you might find interesting Al

Mike[/quote]
Small world Mike, that jasper traces back to Chub, Belle, Spike,( George Nelson) & Deacon. Chub/s Dame was a littermate to Deacon. Does not surprise Jasper would bay a mean bear. When I sold deacon, my thinking chub will no longer stay on a mean bear. I sure found out different. Also jasper traced back to most all Tom Barnett dogs thru Chub. Chub was Jasper/s Grand Sire. Then he also traced back to the Padgett Family Blueticks & Dave Dean/s Hammer Blood. Just a little history thought you might find interesting Al[/quote]

Thank you Al.

Small world for sure.I remember Jim getting mad at me for taking his good cat dogs to the woods and running them on bear...Jim would act mad but really was very proud of those dogs and to have them catch game was all that was important to Jim. Jim was a great guy and didn't get far from his rig after having a heart attack in the brush, He almost died before making it out alive and the many hound hunters that spent many hours every day of the week hanging out at his cattle feed lot. Back then, all we did was hunt, no politics, no locked gates, no jealousy. Just pure and sincere hound hunters who spent there time in the brush long before these dang computers came along. Gadgetry has ruined our way of life! I look forward to meeting you at the Cat hunters gathering....Now if I could connect the dots with the gentleman named Sheppard that I hunted with back in the late 70's, or I should say his handler. Those were also some nice dogs as well.Thanks again to you and J.C. for all the information on those dogs.

Mike

Boy Mike hear you on the good old days. The breeder I bought Bell from as a pup was Vernard ( Jack ) Sheppard. That was in 1964, Sheppard/s Oregon Deacon was from Hersberger/s Okla Spot & Wagoner/s Little Fanny. The dam was Sheppard/s Oregon Sugar from Merchant/s Bawlie & Motley/s Missouri Rose. Was surprised to find out George Nelson had hunted with Rose. Jack was very sick when I bought Bell, heard he passed a short time later. Jack lived near Yamhill Or. Boy how times have changed, ask him how to deer break a hound. He said he used a shot gun loaded with rice and let them get to burning deer good and waited on a crossing to blast them at the correct distance. Never tried that. Also remember being told by an old timer, he had rigged a home made shock unit set to go off at a certain time, find a fresh deer set the timer & hope. And we complain bcause the garmin loses contact at times. Al

Al
Back in those days we would try anything to break a dog from trash. I tried tying two hounds together thinking they would hang up and I could catch them running deer and correct them. Those two dogs figured out how to run single file in just a few seconds!

Another one of those sure fire methods, Stuff a hound in a 55 gallon drum with some deer glands and roll him off a steep hill...

The Guy I'm thinking about was from the Portland area and his name was Bob Sheppard. Back then he drove a Chevy El Camino, that pickup style rig. If you would have told me we would have cell phones, Gps, E-collars back then, I would have said you are nuts! The only guy I knew from that Yamhill country was Bobby Brown.

Take Care, Mike