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WELL SAID DAVID!!!

Take care, Willie

I and the Executive Director with OOC had a long talk yesterday and discussed in great detail how we failed. We had a smoking gun and failed to offer it as evidence in our court, the Oregon Legislature. We never resort to tactics that have been implemented against all of us. We are a Nation of Greed and nothing will ever change this trend? I beg to differ...Some of the folks on this board live on the hides they reap from our great outdoors and claim it is justified to continue to over harvest with little regard for others. It is simply justified in the mind of the beholder......

Next you have the contractor who is the one who gets to hunt while his buddy is sitting on the side lines watching in disbelief. Stunned that our very own people, the commission, who should be looking after our interest simply can't see the forest because there are to many trees in the way.

Here is the irony in all of this.....Those who continue to support the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife remain the largest part of the problem....We are all guilty by purchasing a single license and tag when we should boycott one season and break these tyrants!

Provisions have been granted by our politicians in Salem to grant us our rights to hunt with hounds and rejected by the Commission....The commission understands our addiction towards hunting our hounds and knows beyond a doubt, when it comes to our hounds we become puppets on a string, able to be manipulated like an alcoholic to a drink!

Here is the opinion of the highest percentage of voting, No Government! Think about the origin and inception of hunting from beginning and acts like the Pittman-Robertson. The intent was clearly established that sport hunting American citizens would be granted the rights to be the management tools for every State in the Nation.

Look at our current administration and you see how this can be spun like a top. Government and more Government is all the President can see and claims it is what the people want, I guess the majority did vote him back in....I still think this is quite similar in that we will change this trend as well. Simply stated, how does our State Government think they will continue to sell this notion for much longer to a bunch of sport hunters, who for the most part represent the highest percentage of folks who know right from wrong and do the right thing, and if we did another poll, you would find the same results would indicate 99% want to listen to a hound bark and be left alone and could care less about stripping what climbs to the top of a tree!

We have a core of folks who lose nothing and even though they do support hound hunting, profit more by the present trend. I have had a huge piece of ground to hunt on with my name attached exclusively. This is wrong! The reason this is still pending is because most fear the loss of a job and a livelihood if they interact in the battle. They know this is wrong but typing on the internet makes you the prime target for retaliatory measures against you.

Here is my position on that, I could care less if I'm retaliated towards, now or tomorrow! we the people of the United States of America have an obligation to defend our great Nation against tyranny! Most Americans take life for granted, our founding fathers would roll over in their graves to be following the happenings across our land! We the people have shed way too much blood to look back or reverse the trend aimed towards freedom.

We still share freedoms but they have been drastically reduced to the point of grave concern.....Time for the pin heads in Salem to figure this out. This is meant for both the politicians at the capitol and the pin heads on Cherry Avenue! I had very receptive conversations all day yesterday with folks who have just simply had enough!

Both the State and Federal Government knows there are a select bunch who are going to topple the dictatorship and change this trend of hatred towards sport hunters! I met a biologist in Corvallis Oregon by the name of Nancy Taylor, After my introducing my self to her, all she could says was, you are one of those guys....I have heard all about you, your hounds and your name, you are one of those hound hunters!......she is the driving force behind black bears and snares. She lives with our Linn county USDA Aphis wildlife services agent and made the comment to me.....She also said she preferred using her boys to do the hunting. Her boys are Government!

She then stated,If I had my way, Government will do 100% of all hunting in Oregon and you will never see the woods ever again. I personally think she should be fired for being a conflict of interest. She never attended any formidable education aimed towards big game management and her only qualifications are in fisheries. Qualified for the job? You decide! She has been hand placed to be the wrecking ball for proper big game management. Look at the facts and cling to bobcat and coon hunting and you cling to your demise....

You are finished and just don't understand.....We need to reinstate sport hound hunting in every State in the nation and all forms of hunting or our wildlife is doomed. Oregon doesn't manage nothing! Deer and Elk, in trouble, Black bears are in trouble in many regions for over harvesting. Cougar in many gmu's are in trouble for over harvesting, example, one gmu there was a cougar study where the intent was to collar every cougar in this unit, then our Commission declared war on those collared cougar and decided to kill them all? Bobcats are on the decline because of greedy sport hunters killing all the females and kittens for a buck. Now the Federal Government introduces the wolf and you don't need to be real bright to see this is not sustainable for much longer.

There no long is any form of management in the slightest form on behalf of the Commission. With the loss of hounds and management, the entire eco system is out of balance. Porcupines, gone in many regions of the state, skunks gone in many regions, bear, cougar, bobcats in trouble in many areas due to lack of proper management. The commission is no longer capable of managing nothing for successful results, they are simply in this for a retirement check and only hope to collect one and pass this mess on to the next generation like the pin heads in DC. Those who claim this trend is permanent are not thinking like real Americans! I guess if it becomes permanent, is only because you opt to allow it to be permanent!

Mike

Mike,
I agree with all you said in last post. Their agenda is to end all sport hunting no doubt about it.

They took it away in small increments at a time and whether we like it or not we will have to get it back small increments at a time. The facts are all on our side, however they conflict with their agenda which is to stop all hunting and trapping of all kinds.
Educating the public is like herding house cats and will take a lot of money and time if we can even get them to listen.
As you fight the battle for it all to come back, all I suggest is to not lose what little that is left by alienating people that are either in a position to help or people that are just as frustrated with big government as you are.
The woman you described above is in all federal, state, county, and city governments all across our great land. In the business I am in, I have encountered many like her and have always beaten them from behind the scenes, sometimes it took years, never successful by direct confrontation.
The facts speak for themselves and you are completely correct. Please take care of your health and do not get so consumed with the injustices being perpetrated by our government that you lose focus on important things in life, God, family,health and treating people the way you want to be treated.

Good luck and please take care of your health.

Thank You David!

Pretty hard to give up on our heritage, our god given rights and our kids.......

I just seen where 10,000 OHA member strong pushed through the legislature a new law that has been signed into law by Oregon Governor Kitzhaber. H.B. 2390A. 100% of this organization completely sold out management in exchange to protect their deer and elk hunting interest. Not to mention the efforts of OOC and the hound hunting community. When you see how this plays out you see where this is all heading.....100% Government.

77th OREGON LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY – 2013 Regular Session MEASURE: HB 2390 A
WHAT THE MEASURE DOES: Repeals sunset on provisions specifying how Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW) appoints person to act as agent for purpose of using one or more dogs to hunt or pursue black bear or cougar. Requires Fish and Wildlife Commission to report biennially to Governor and Legislature on ODFW’s appointment of agents. Report must include information on use of agents in implementing any black bear or cougar management program and summary of public input taken by ODFW.
ISSUES DISCUSSED:
 1994 ballot measure
 Oregon Cougar Management Plan
 Since 2007, ODFW has appointed 27 individuals as agents
EFFECT OF COMMITTEE AMENDMENT: Requires Fish and Wildlife Commission to report biennially to Governor and Legislature on ODFW’s appointment of agents. Report must include information on use of agents in implementing any black bear or cougar management program and summary of public input taken by ODFW.
BACKGROUND: Oregon Ballot Measure 18 (1994) banned the use of dogs to hunt or pursue black bears or cougars with two exceptions for their use by employees or agents of the county, state or federal agencies while acting in their official capacities. However, the measure did not clearly authorize ODFW to designate agents. In 2007, the Legislative Assembly specifically authorized the appointment of agents by passage of House Bill 2971. The provisions of this statute are scheduled to sunset on January 2, 2014. House Bill 2390 A would remove the sunset and require a biennial report to the Governor and Legislature on the use of agents.

Looks like ODFW was successful in shoring up agents for the long haul. Amazing how ODFW gets 100% what it lobbies for in Salem ...ODFW is truly the best organized lobby group in Oregon. OHA is stronger and bigger in membership and has many board directors that work for ODFW. You can see how this is playing out....What can a few hound hunters and OOC do? You tell me?

Infiltrate from within to change the agenda!! Beating your head against the establishment will only give you high blood pressure. My humble opinion from some one that has fought almost every agency for over 40 years.
This battle will be won, but it will only be won by cool heads.
Mike, I really feel your passion. Learn to fight smart, not aggressive.
Lay out the facts and keep laying them out till the public sees how their wildlife is being treated. The agents and I do not know who they are, are really not the enemy. They will be consumed just like the rest of us. The agenda to ban all hunting is what needs to be addressed. The reintroduction of the wolf was part of the enemies plan all along. It needs to be exposed in a logical and no non-sense manner backed up with facts and data to support it.
Look what is happening to this whole country, IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, The corruption of every level of government is about to come crashing down on them all. The main problem with getting facts out is the main stream media is complicit in furnishing biased information and they are the biggest enemy of the state and need to be held accountable. How do you do that, Boycott their advertisers. Is that a fast solution, no! The way the world is today armed insurrection is not a viable option. That is what they want. Working the system and exposing corruption on every level is a viable option.
We must drum on teaching our kids American and World history constantly!!
What is happening in our country today is exactly what happened to Germany in the 30's.
The only difference is, we have the internet for instant communication and it is not as easy to mislead the populace. MSNBC, CNN, ABC,CBS is complicit to advocating the new world order, which is the will of the global bankers.
Well, I guess this post put me on another watch list!!!

I don't agree with attacking anyone who is on the same side and wants nothing but the same outcome as the rest of us. I think Dewey is a fine vp for ousda and I also agree with everything that him and David has said. If you truly want to know who is doing what in Oregon get involved with your clubs and organizations and attend meetings and hearings don't just take what you read on the Internet as gospel! Mike I've never seen eye to eye with you on how to go about things 100% but I do admire your dedication and drive! If half of our dogs had half of what you have we wouldn't need this forum because we would all be catching everything we put out on.

Tim

Our hound hunting past directly dating to 1999 is why we will never have any thing other than what ODFW has requested and that is criminal background checks and agents. You need not attend meetings to understand. We have learned nothing from our history lessons. Follow the outcome from 2007 to the recent passage of H.B. 2390A ....You should have your answer! I did not follow 2390 until yesterday, that made the case complete (the bigger picture).....Its over for Oregon hound hunters as long as agents are available= They don't need us! You younger guys will suffer the greatest loss. You all did not taste the good life!
Government whooped us again!

Take Care Guys!

Mike if it is over please be quite and lets the rest of us see what we can do. Dewey

Dewey,

I will be more than happy, please remember what happened in 1990 with the president! ODFW hasn't forgotten. Look at how they pass the laws that reflect a contempt for all of us. until you/we figure this out, its over! We will never agree and why I and a majority on this board will head in a different direction, no reason to trouble my District 17 representative next year with more legislation that is sure to fail. You don't need a high priced lobby or an army to Shut down the pipe line of funding to USDA Aphis Wildlife Services.Demonstrations in Portland's Water Front Park with the Aldrich cable snare are free, Open forum public and media discussions about the landfill plan also require no high paid lobby....Financial assistance is going to end where corporations are concerned and those that choose, can keep on supporting all of this!
Remember, real sportsmen practice catch and release! Those that don't stay off the internet

Mike

Mike: I remember when we lost spring bear season going to OUSDA convention asking for help to get spring season back and hearing all of the we can't, going to the commission with the facts by myself and getting spring season back. Working to get bobcat and others protected in the early 70' when fur prices went high. Working with Mr. Denny {head of ODFW] collecting jaws and reproductive tracks trying to keep from having to tag bobcats and getting a call from when the feds made us tag bobcats with an apology. Working on the elk review board as laws were being changed. Working with MR. Greer to make it possible to just bring head, hide and reproductive tracks out of the brush on cougars. Being at many hearings at ODFW and Salem one of which you set up with your representative. I remember when we lost cougar and bear hunting and when we tried to get it back arguing that we needed to take one at a time. Looking back at the all or none and seeing how that worked. Mike you have a passion for our sport but as others have said you will not win by attacking people. It will be won by presenting the facts in a conversation that allows people to see what is so. The only way to get things changed is to work within the system with people not by alienating the people that we need to support us with this. Trust me Mike I know well what we have lost and I think there is no one to blame but our selves and it is up to us to do something to get it back. What we have done in the last 20 years has not worked. Lets do something different. Dewey

Lets use a fight analogy cause after all that is what were in. There are three types or fighters. There are the Boom Boom Mancini types that come out swinging hard and never quit. They win most of there fights. A lot of them buy knock outs. Then you have the Floyd Mayweather Jr. types. Tactical and defensive but they never loose. Then the third type that fights hard for the first half of the fight then decides he cant win but he has his purse for showing up. He hides for the rest of the fight. I cant think of a name but you all have watched that type of fighter. If I was a gambler I would usualy bet on the second type. Sometimes the first. Never on the third. I have the most respect and enjoy watching the first type. The second type would win me the most money. You all can put yourself where you think you belong. You know better than me how hard you are fighting. The problem is most of us (myself included) have been nothing but spectators gambling our way of life away on who is going to win. Most gamblers go broke. What ever way we decide to fight we all need to fight and not give up. Sometimes our only chance to win might be to swing hard and hope for a knock out. But we wont win at all if we are never throwing punches. Take care, Larry

Dewey, It seems like you are on both sides of the fence. In the last 20 years if something hasn't worked and you want to try something different, why not make try out a complete stop from helping the people who are keeping Orgeonians from hunting hounds. Make a stand. Obviously helping them out for the last 20 hasn't had the effect to get your hound season back. No matter what it wouldn't hurt your chances of getting seasons back. The same thing is happening in Ca right now as far as i am concerned if you decide to hunt your hounds to help out fish and wildlife or anyone for depridations or scientific study or anything you are a traitor, a coward, and just plain out a real piece of $#it in my book. When a government selected groups are doing the hunting that the public should be allowed to do that is TYRANNY.

Clint I agree 100%, if we don't make our selves NEEDED by the state to keep predators under control then the state will never back us in trying to get our sport hunting back, all we have ever been to the state is a management tool for population control and if they can get us to jump when they call because the public called with a problem animal then we will never be NEEDED.

Clint and Dale you are both wrong. I saw the hound men of Oregon at the same place you were 20 years ago. How did that work out for them? The information attain from the studies with the cost to the public with the lose of funds from not hunting will get your season back with the right PR work. Their is no one back stabbing you they are just doing a job that needs to be done. Look at your cougar how many years has that been, how has that been working out for you guys? I would like to see you guys not making the same mistakes we did up here in Oregon. I am not on both sides of the fence. I want my hunting back in both states, I have no problem with people hunting as the law allows. I am not for any kind of government I think they have lost touch with everything but their agenda. No matter what you do you will not stop the legal damage control work. Why waste your time at that. Do something that might help. I feel we as hound men have caused our own problems by not being proactive. We are people that would like to be left alone to do what we enjoy. WE know that it does not hurt but helps wildlife to hunt and trap. While the antis run adds to get their agenda we sit back and do nothing. When we have money to fight with we still try do do it our way. How did that work for us? You guys have your opinion but hopefully you can learn from others mistakes. Dewey

Dewey from what I remember is after Oregon lost there hound hunting they pretty much lined up to hunt for the state/feds. if you have the answer then what is your game plan to buddy up to F&W that wouldn't even defend the own science on SB 1221, or the current commissioner that when at a COHA question and answer session claimed that "there is no question he wouldn't answer" then refused to answer when asked why they wouldn't stand up for them selves for SB 1221 telling the crowd that he did not need to answer that question, the USDA gets the same run around from F&W as we do I'm waiting to here from them on the depredation permit numbers to see if they are even close to the same they are usually way off, what is your answer and why hasn't it worked for your state?