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loaded4bear read my post and what I said . But i will add this the right dogs will make the difference and 2-5 is the right number of dogs just got to get the right ones in that number and VERY few will get away there will be times and places when it happens but you will not go hunting you will go catching .
As far as having the fastest bear yup you just like everyone else have those special hard to catch bear and the toughest places to hunt yup get out and hunt places all over the country you will realize that every area has their fast bears and hard places to hunt .

As far as having the fastest bear yup you just like everyone else have those special hard to catch bear and the toughest places to hunt yup

thats a good point smiley-

ive also heard people say -- they are easy there ,
about someplace they never been--

i think ive been quilty of that myself -


i liked the quote i heard on here once-

an easy bear here is easy anywhere -lol






where you have a long training season


bear are run and not killed- - over and over-- for years- some of them get dogwise-

i think we have very easy country to run here-compared to most places -- and a few very dogwise bear- because of our long training and kinda a very limited kill attitude among most houndsmen

-- killing a bear is way down the list -


thats a good thing-- it means we have more coming along to outrun us--


thats not the only way this happens-


where bear are hunted hard -- survivors have to be good --to stay alive -- lol


i agree with you guys that say its often the caliber of dogs--

all else equal-- faster dogs tree a higher percentage--

catch them before they get to their favorite spot - lol

i think the caliber of bear makes a difference-- just like the caliber of hounds- -


We ran for four hours and finally dumped 3 fresh good hounds on the track. This bear was done...wrong it caught another gear.



loaded4bear---- i hear ya---



seen a few times -- i felt like id be better off with a greyhound or maybe a cheetah to catch that thing --lol






better , faster , dogs--- GUARANTEED , will catch more of them--


dogs that NEVER got outrun???????? i still got to see one of those --

Well Pete, I dont know about that dog-wise stuff. A few years ago when I was running with Mike Lord all training season we had a heck of a year.I was on about 75 trees and I know Mike ended the year with something like 150 !!! Now we ran the same areas most of the times,treeing the same bears most of the time I am sure. When guys started hearing how many bears we were treeing ,all I heard was " those are trained bears.They are so used to being run that they are easy to tree " ??? a few years before that I guided in a part of Maine that very rarely ever gets run in. All I heard then was " bears there have never heard a hound before. Its easy to tree bears in areas like that " ???

I pretty much came to the conclusion that wherever someone is having good luck treeing bears, according to anyone not there, its easy to tree bears in that area !!!

The country ya describe is alot like the country I hunt starting in Aug. here in Ca., ain't nothing but can't see 10 feet type of brush. I usually hunt above the brush in the timber cause it's cooler but every bear ya start ends in the brush. Is what I see is alot of dogs are content with just following along behind the bear and they will do that all day, then ya have dogs that will acuatlyhave the dogs that will put preassure on the bear and with those type dogs ya don't usually don't have the running bear in the brush, they will stand and bay or walk and make a fight of it. I have seen very very few bear run in the brush. I guess is what I'm asking is when ya say your dogs are being outrun in the brush, are they outrun or outwalked, alot of dogs in the brush if they aren't used to it will be spooked, especially at night. Mike

Oh and by the way Pete, I dont think the area you run in is all that easy.At least not where we used to run near the NH border.That is some nasty thick thick stuff there.Those thickets are great for bunnys but hard on big dogs. There is a alot of water there too,some huge beaver flowages which are tough for man or dogs but seem to be no problem for bears.It reminds me alot of downeast Maine bear hunting.Kill as many bears on the ground as up trees.

Easiest place I have seen is where I live.Little of everything for cover but not a lot of real bad stuff.Biggest problem down here is dogs crossing roads or bears running through backyards.Getting yelled at was getting to be a common occurence.

lepcur wrote: then ya have dogs that will acuatlyhave the dogs that will put preassure on the bear and with those type dogs ya don't usually don't have the running bear in the brush, they will stand and bay or walk and make a fight of it. I have seen very very few bear run in the brush. I guess is what I'm asking is when ya say your dogs are being outrun in the brush, are they outrun or outwalked,

We've got a LOT of bear that run in the brush, because that is pretty much all we have is brush/swamps. Trust me they can RUN.

I hear all the time about these dogs that run for 10+ hours or longer. And from all these stories it seems to happen all the time. We hunt in a more roaded area and runs like that barely ever happen, and you can just about bet that it's not the first dogs put out that are the ones still going at the end.

I would LOVE to see dogs that can run 10+ hours in July for multiple days in a row, because I don't know a single hunter in this area that has dogs that can do that.

In our area, about 1 in 10 bear will catch and bay and we usually catch most of them. Or should say we walk in and catch the dogs off of them with the bear being right there. The other 9 run until the dogs tire them out, OR they tire out the dogs. At the start the bear have better odds, but towards the end the odds get tilted much further in the dogs direction. It's been like this for as long as I can remember, and is like that for all the guys I know. I don't need somebody to TELL me about these "great" super natural type dogs, I need someone to SHOW me. I'll gladly sit on the sideline and watch, cause I really want to see this.

Nolte wrote:I don't need somebody to TELL me about these "great" super natural type dogs, I need someone to SHOW me. I'll gladly sit on the sideline and watch, cause I really want to see this.

Now that's funny dude!!

Nolte, have you not been paying attention? Pretty naive to think that even a fraction of the talk on these internet sites can be backed up on the mountain.

You'd have better luck asking for the sun to come up in the west and set in the north!

Come on a hound site and say "Show me, don't tell me" ... now that's funny stuff!!

Nolte wrote:

lepcur wrote: then ya have dogs that will acuatlyhave the dogs that will put preassure on the bear and with those type dogs ya don't usually don't have the running bear in the brush, they will stand and bay or walk and make a fight of it. I have seen very very few bear run in the brush. I guess is what I'm asking is when ya say your dogs are being outrun in the brush, are they outrun or outwalked,

We've got a LOT of bear that run in the brush, because that is pretty much all we have is brush/swamps. Trust me they can RUN.

I hear all the time about these dogs that run for 10+ hours or longer. And from all these stories it seems to happen all the time. We hunt in a more roaded area and runs like that barely ever happen, and you can just about bet that it's not the first dogs put out that are the ones still going at the end.









I would LOVE to see dogs that can run 10+ hours in July for multiple days in a row, because I don't know a single hunter in this area that has dogs that can do that.

In our area, about 1 in 10 bear will catch and bay and we usually catch most of them. Or should say we walk in and catch the dogs off of them with the bear being right there. The other 9 run until the dogs tire them out, OR they tire out the dogs. At the start the bear have better odds, but towards the end the odds get tilted much further in the dogs direction. It's been like this for as long as I can remember, and is like that for all the guys I know. I don't need somebody to TELL me about these "great" super natural type dogs, I need someone to SHOW me. I'll gladly sit on the sideline and watch, cause I really want to see this.

Now Nolte, if someone gave you a peep show of a really good pack of dogs you would say it was a easy bear to begin with! No one wants to see the truth, they want everyone else to think where they hunt is the hardest to place to catch bear on planet earth.

T-man308, you asked a couple of questions, what did you mean by shooting a bear from a distance, and then having the dogs follow and stay?

Be nice Scott, Ike has the only Blood line that Produces "REAL TOP SHELF BEAR DOGS" look at his pics, they come in every color too!

Nolte wrote:

lepcur wrote: then ya have dogs that will acuatlyhave the dogs that will put preassure on the bear and with those type dogs ya don't usually don't have the running bear in the brush, they will stand and bay or walk and make a fight of it. I have seen very very few bear run in the brush. I guess is what I'm asking is when ya say your dogs are being outrun in the brush, are they outrun or outwalked,

We've got a LOT of bear that run in the brush, because that is pretty much all we have is brush/swamps. Trust me they can RUN.

I hear all the time about these dogs that run for 10+ hours or longer. And from all these stories it seems to happen all the time. We hunt in a more roaded area and runs like that barely ever happen, and you can just about bet that it's not the first dogs put out that are the ones still going at the end.

I would LOVE to see dogs that can run 10+ hours in July for multiple days in a row, because I don't know a single hunter in this area that has dogs that can do that.

In our area, about 1 in 10 bear will catch and bay and we usually catch most of them. Or should say we walk in and catch the dogs off of them with the bear being right there. The other 9 run until the dogs tire them out, OR they tire out the dogs. At the start the bear have better odds, but towards the end the odds get tilted much further in the dogs direction. It's been like this for as long as I can remember, and is like that for all the guys I know. I don't need somebody to TELL me about these "great" super natural type dogs, I need someone to SHOW me. I'll gladly sit on the sideline and watch, cause I really want to see this.

How bad do you want to see it? It's out there, and I'm sure you could get an invitation to go watch. If you're not color blind and willing to hunt bettter dogs, you would probably be doing some selling and buying after you went. Lots of people have.

I would hope I didn't have to own dogs that had to run 10 hours a day, day in day out. There are some guys up here that have them, kinda colored like a Yorkshire pig, anyway, they have the ten hour races, and two day trails every time they go out, seems to me a dog should cross something a lot hotter in that amount of time once in awhile, besides, i want them back spent, not wasting my day and still being able to run the next.

onalimb wrote:I would hope I didn't have to own dogs that had to run 10 hours a day, day in day out. There are some guys up here that have them, kinda colored like a Yorkshire pig, anyway, they have the ten hour races, and two day trails every time they go out, seems to me a dog should cross something a lot hotter in that amount of time once in awhile, besides, i want them back spent, not wasting my day and still being able to run the next.

LOL good call

onalimb wrote:Be nice Scott, Ike has the only Blood line that Produces "REAL TOP SHELF BEAR DOGS" look at his pics, they come in every color too!

Gotta love it man......REAL TOP SHELF BEAR DOGS! It's the kind of things dreams are made of huh? Or maybe the not knowing huh?

Living the Dream,
ike

I would not even know that bears could run for miles faster than dogs if not for this site. Bears in my area seem to have no stamina and only run 1/2 mile or so before dogs catch up. Most tree right there, those that don't are bigger 300+lbs and will walk at a pace that I can catch up to. I always thought bears had no stamina... These bears must be differnt or its the terrain, its sure not my dogs... Got some realy old dogs that can't run all that long anymore and they are still able to catch these bears. Talking 10-16 years old so its a realy good thing these bears don't run far or my dogs would have to be retired

Onalimb, you asked about trailing after a shot. What I was asking and has been answered on the phone was if you shoot a bear without dogs being present and then bring dogs in to find it will the dogs stay with a dead bear or will they just run until they find it and then stop baying because it's dead.

On several other people's responses there were questions to terrrain. Other than my buddy and coop who have hunted it I can only say that it is thick Manzanita brush that is around 6 feet tall, rocky ledges with steep drop off's and changes in elevation from 4500 feet to 7500 feet, perfect bear country.

Once again I want to thank you all for your comments on this subject. I am heading out this Friday in the same area to give it another shot. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Thanks