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Norcalkemmer, what area of Nor Cal do you hunt? Would also like a response to my last post. I did state my facts.
Chris Leyden

Tehama county, Shasta county. It's a good idea to pick the dog thats best for what you hunt, I hunt walkers on bears and cat here. my dogs will not run rabbits squirrels(lucky for them) I can barely get my kemmer to run a coon she is just a bigggame dog from biggame dogs. yes i agree with you there is great biggame dogs in all breeds, that has already been proven. as for plotts having more great, good bear dogs then every other breed, well coming from somebody thats runs plotts i wouldn't expect any another anwser. plotts do have more history of being bear dogs but they were breed for biggame. i prefer a multi purpose dog, i run more game then just bear. so i want a dog that is just as good of a bear dog as it is a coon dog,cat dog,fox dog. as for plotts being more gritty them other dogs, thats one reason i got out of hunting with plotts, they were real gritty, like when i put them in the box. after i broke my knuckles i decided to switch breeds. anyways my kemmer has just as much grit as my plotts did and is a pleasure to hunt with. I hate when you lose good ones, i have started from square 1 more then one time.

I have hunted out of Big Bend, Burney, Pit River, Mc Cloud and Shasta area. That f-ing lava run is one place I would rather not go back to. Holds some big bears but not worth it.
Yeah as you know I run Plotts and I still am waiting for someone to prove me wrong that they have not produced more beardogs than any other breed. You have not done it. You said yourself they are bred for big game. Wasn't that my point in the beginning?
And you are right just as I quoted, no other breed has a history of a beardog than the Plott.
Like I said before, I DON'T CARE what you hunt. But don't try and compare it to what I hunt and what I hunt for.
It's the apples to oranges thing you know.

Whats it matter if they produced more bear dogs then any other breed? by the way thats your opinion, if you wanna call it facts then please show me where you got them. yes they were bred for bigggame but so was the ridgeback, you gonna tell me they are a better biggame dog as well? i can care less what you hunt or how they catch you game. i chose to not waste my time on plotts anymore when there are better breeds out there. i need a dog thats has more then fight, it needs to have brains as well. yes ther are plotts that have it all including speed and brains but are far and few between just like a walker bear dog . what it comes down to is you prefer plotts and i don't. we both have different opinions of the best bear dogs. this bear season we put up every bear we were on and did it with walkers and black and tans, yep no plotts and caught every bear they were on. they way i look at it is who cares what the ancestors ran, does that dog run bear now? will it catch them consistantly? does it have any defaults? and can it reproduce other great dogs? if the anwser is yes, then it a keeper. like i said eariler, my dog needs to be able to catch more then bears, i like a dog that will run all the game i hunt and be able to do it equally as good. plotts have not fit that bill for me. but these pac-man,lipper walkers get it done.

bearcrplotts, so you didnt like that lava country huh? The places you mentioned are where I hunt bear every year. You are so right about it being a bad place to hunt and there are some salty bears there. Sometimes I wonder, why am I hunting this country, but if you know the country, sometimes it isnt to bad, (just hope the dogs get em caught before they hit the lavas) Nothin like lava flows mixed with some thick manzanita patches, choking red dust in the early season, and worryin about a bay up in one of them stinkin lava holes---- wow, is it bear season yet?

norcalkemmer wrote:Whats it matter if they produced more bear dogs then any other breed? by the way thats your opinion, if you wanna call it facts then please show me where you got them. yes they were bred for bigggame but so was the ridgeback, you gonna tell me they are a better biggame dog as well? i can care less what you hunt or how they catch you game. i chose to not waste my time on plotts anymore when there are better breeds out there. i need a dog thats has more then fight, it needs to have brains as well. yes ther are plotts that have it all including speed and brains but are far and few between just like a walker bear dog . what it comes down to is you prefer plotts and i don't. we both have different opinions of the best bear dogs. this bear season we put up every bear we were on and did it with walkers and black and tans, yep no plotts and caught every bear they were on. they way i look at it is who cares what the ancestors ran, does that dog run bear now? will it catch them consistantly? does it have any defaults? and can it reproduce other great dogs? if the anwser is yes, then it a keeper. like i said eariler, my dog needs to be able to catch more then bears, i like a dog that will run all the game i hunt and be able to do it equally as good. plotts have not fit that bill for me. but these pac-man,lipper walkers get it done.

Wow, you must have really good dogs, or, easy bear!! I'll take the easy bear theroy. I have hunted Happy Camp, Trinity, Shasta, Lassan and still have not had a bay up. Oh, with nothing other than Plotts!

Have you caught anything then?

damn, lucky you catch. you guys must have all the dog killing rough ass bears in your neck of the woods. good thing you have plotts., Im glad i live here in calli where the bears or nice and tame and easy to catch. i was worried when i seen that you replyed to this post, i thought it would be like your other posts in the "cage". you and Larry must be some of the top houndsmen in the country. maybe i can learn form the best someday if you care to take me in under your wings.

Norcalkemmer,it does matter to me that Plotts have produced more BEARDOGS and it is a fact.I will get some #'s and show you if you like but I can see this will never end. Like I said I dont care what you hunt, just give credit where credit is due. Most Plotts aren't hunted on rodents. And obviously you can't give credit to big game dogs and that was my whole point in the beginning, thats why I posted on this BS site. Nobody other than a Plott hunter can say " hey your right , Plotts do come from a history of BEARDOGS" and this is a FACT not an opinion. As far as the ridgebacks, man your grasping at straws now, and it's not gonna pan out. You show me a line of ridgebacks hunted in the USA on bear and cats and I will make an outcross to them.

Slim, that lava is something else. Dogs cant have tough enough feet unless they were made of steel, and not mild steel. Even with 6-10" of snow on it. It's also is like you said where the"salty" bears go in that area. Not all the mean ones are in the lava or make it there though. My worst races there have actually been out of the lava, although heading there. The manzanita is another ball game, but it's all fun. Good hunting and some good bears.
Chris Leyden

[quote="norcalkemmer"] i chose to not waste my time on plotts anymore when there are better breeds out there. Your Opinion , it needs to have brains as well. Good idea because its obvious you don't have any!! my dog needs to be able to catch more then bears, i like a dog that will run all the game i hunt and be able to do it equally as good. plotts have not fit that bill for me. It all comes down to that you do not have the balls to hunt the best breed for bear, so you are making excuses!! Nobody is trying to tell you what to hunt, nobody gives a damn what you hunt, the point is it does not compare to what we hunt its not even close! When your talking plott your talking beardog, that is what it is foremost and nothing else compares!! Are there good dogs in all breeds yes absolutley, But if you look at a breed as a whole there is none that come close to plotts for beardogs!!

I been huntn this particular strain of Plotts for 10 years. Im a student of the game. I have always hunted just 2 dogs! Alot of guys might not want to hear about somone CATCHING bear with 2 dogs. It makes them feel inferior so they'll attack you with disbelief or negativity! Or they'll say I hunt easy bear! Or maybe something like I just got lucky that day! No one believes in the many half hour bear races. It's a great possibility other packs don't do it.
The only luck I came upon was turning into a bear hunter by accident when I got my first two Plotts 10 years ago. 10 years of bear hunting is alot longer than most people give the sport, many give up after a few years, with much anguish and frustration, and alot of denial!
Like my dogs- and those of us who are still here- we are dedicated to those we feed. And they feed us with adrenaline, satisfaction, sorrows, tears of pain and delight.
I've tried many other colored dogs- but they just didn't have what my Plotts got. I've tried other strains of Plotts, too, with no luck.
Most serious Plott Bear Hunters, that I've found out are so dedicated to the Strain they represent. We don't want to lose what we have, so we are very selective when it comes to breeding, we hunt hard and cull hard.
By trade i'm a commercial fishermen. I try to catch as much fish as I possibly can. The same with bear hunting, I aint tryin to hear cold trailing for two hours before they jump the bear, I want to strike and catch him now.
Yes, I know we don't catch 'em all- they're just dogs- nothing more. But that's the beauty of what we do.
I couldn't care less if this guy takes 12 hours to catch a bear- to me that's bear chasing not catching. If he's happy with that- that's their thing not mine. But if someone is catching with a few good dogs that work well together than I'd want to know what he's doin right!
This spring I have 3 pups that I'm going to introduce to Mr. Bear. I've been workin em all winter.
clute

Bearbredplots, I believe you about the 2 dogs catching bear. The only potlicker I have that did not catch any bears on his own last year was my black and tan, but he was never bred for bear, only cats. Heck My 10 month old pup last year put one up on her own and and bayed up a mean sow on her own, man if that didn't charge her up on bear , and she was only a lowly Walker . If you can't catch bears with 2 hounds you need new hounds. Believe me my hounds are nothing special.

bearbredplotts wrote:. The same with bear hunting, I aint tryin to hear cold trailing for two hours before they jump the bear, I want to strike and catch him now.
Yes, I know we don't catch 'em all- they're just dogs- nothing more. But that's the beauty of what we do.

I don't want to rag on this quote, but this philosphy wouldn't do a guy much good if he was trying to kill a big bear in WI. If you want a decent shot at one, you better have some ground pounders and still a good dose of luck doesn't hurt.

Just curious, but do some of you guys ever get a nose bleed from being up on such a high pedestal.

bearcrplotts wrote:Like I said I dont care what you hunt, just give credit where credit is due.

I surely would if I felt it was warranted. I don't give a rip what color a dog is as long as it gets the job done. In fact I shot a yote out in front of my buddy's dog (plott) and my dog (B&T) yesterday. I don't hunt all corners of the states, but I do put in a pretty good amount of time in my backyard. In doing so, I see what's working here and can only comment on that. The only FACT I know is there is not one guy that I know of with ONLY plotts, that is catching more game than the hard hunters I know around here.

i was after some explanations from "plott guys" and I Got some great ones. Unfortunaltely, as I expected, others had to chime in. I don't quite understand why. Like I said, nobody is bothering the B&T threads, calling BS, or feeling the need to defend their plotts on those threads. Why is that????

larry wrote:Like I said, nobody is bothering the B&T threads, calling BS, or feeling the need to defend their plotts on those threads. Why is that????

Probably because nobody is bringing them up, unlike these where other breeds are being ragged on because they are not plotts.

I'm sure when you're in a bar and you can hear someone chirping in the corner about you, you just ignore it and don't say anything.

Some of you guys remind me of the type of guys who get a truck, jack it all up, put big tires on it and then get pissed off when some average joe blow gets just as far by not being an idiot and on half as much gas.